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Old 08-08-2011, 02:26 AM
 
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food for thought:

According to the UN, Afghanistan supplied in 2006 some 92 percent of the world's supply of opium, which is used to make heroin.

The UN estimates that for 2006, the contribution of the drug trade to the Afghan economy is of the order of 2.7 billion. What it fails to mention is the fact that more than 95 percent of the revenues generated by this lucrative contraband accrues to business syndicates, organized crime and banking and financial institutions. A very small percentage accrues to farmers and traders in the producing country.

it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that there might more likely be a war for the control of the world's opium than for a "stable" afghanistan, because we certainly aren't seeing a stable afghanistan.



Almost a twenty times additional land has been brought under drug cultivation in seven years of US-led forces’ control and Karazi administration in Afghanistan,” said official sources while handing over the latest statistics on the neighbouring country. Telling a true story of permanent increase in opium poppy cultivation since 2001, the Foreign Office sources said the production reduced to only 185 tons in the year 2001 but now it stands at 7,700 tons a year

Read more: http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009...#ixzz1UQMvAe00

The News, Jan. 28, 2009
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:16 AM
 
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I could care less what happens to individuals supported by the most advanced military technology in the world who willingly engage in combat. Nobody said it was going to be a picnic, so everyone better realize that.
i feel sorry for anyone who has lost their sense of compassion.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:08 AM
 
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Well done Pres. Obama, another notch on your belt.
Did you say the same thing about President Bush after 9/11?
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Afghanistan has never had and does not need a central government. For some reason (the Trans Afghan Pipeline) the world's petroleum companies seem to think it does so they are spending our money and lives to create one.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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food for thought:

According to the UN, Afghanistan supplied in 2006 some 92 percent of the world's supply of opium, which is used to make heroin.

The UN estimates that for 2006, the contribution of the drug trade to the Afghan economy is of the order of 2.7 billion. What it fails to mention is the fact that more than 95 percent of the revenues generated by this lucrative contraband accrues to business syndicates, organized crime and banking and financial institutions. A very small percentage accrues to farmers and traders in the producing country.

it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that there might more likely be a war for the control of the world's opium than for a "stable" afghanistan, because we certainly aren't seeing a stable afghanistan.



Almost a twenty times additional land has been brought under drug cultivation in seven years of US-led forces’ control and Karazi administration in Afghanistan,” said official sources while handing over the latest statistics on the neighbouring country. Telling a true story of permanent increase in opium poppy cultivation since 2001, the Foreign Office sources said the production reduced to only 185 tons in the year 2001 but now it stands at 7,700 tons a year
That was in 2006, but there is a new admin since 2009 and the opium production was cut to half by 2010.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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All the eggs in one basket. And, that basket failed.

This one goes against the brass that made the decision to put them all on one big easy target. Even when they took out Bin Laden, they had less men and more choppers. Who ever made the choice to put them all into just one chopper deserves to be FLOGGED. Smaller choppers are better able to evade ground fire, and with more of them, the death toll would have been lower, if one had been hit to begin with. It's like the difference between aiming at 6 Cessna 170s and the Goodyear Blimp. Which makes an easier target.

It does not take away from their ability or performance. Who ever picked their transportation laid a great big egg. My heart goes out to the families.
All? There are 10 000 special forces troops in Afgnaistan, and not all of them were killed in this crash. It is terroble to lose 31, but it certainly does not mean the war is lost.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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All the eggs in one basket. And, that basket failed.

This one goes against the brass that made the decision to put them all on one big easy target. Even when they took out Bin Laden, they had less men and more choppers. Who ever made the choice to put them all into just one chopper deserves to be FLOGGED. Smaller choppers are better able to evade ground fire, and with more of them, the death toll would have been lower, if one had been hit to begin with. It's like the difference between aiming at 6 Cessna 170s and the Goodyear Blimp. Which makes an easier target.

It does not take away from their ability or performance. Who ever picked their transportation laid a great big egg. My heart goes out to the families.
Indeed.....this same mistake keeps happening over and over. Reminds me a lot of the Iran hostage rescue mission. Woefully under equipped. If you think you need one use four, if it might take two use six. I don't care a hoot about losing a chopper or a plane...but I do care greatly about the guys riding in it.
These guys probably knew they were fish in a barrel.....and they did their job anyway. I am profoundly sad and busting with pride at the same time. But it pisses me off that the command would put these guys in the situation to begin with. Learn something! !!! Quit playing with our people like this is a game! Gi e them what they need to do the job and put the people first. Equipment can be replaced....people can't.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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Weren't those U.S. Navy Seals on their way to KILL PEOPLE?
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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Weren't those U.S. Navy Seals on their way to KILL PEOPLE?
Last I checked that's what SEALs do. There a point in there? Their mission does not soften the blow of their loss.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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That was in 2006, but there is a new admin since 2009 and the opium production was cut to half by 2010.
Opium Production in Afghanistan: Strong and Corrupt as Ever « RAWA News

the only slowdown for opium production was due to plant disease, according to the UN:


Vienna - Rising opium prices could drive up Afghanistan's production area in 2011 for the first time in four years, while eradication efforts have stalled, according to a United Nations drug agency report issued Thursday in Vienna.

Although the total harvest was nearly halved in 2010 because of bad weather conditions and a plant disease, this pushed up prices of harvested opium by 164 per cent.

'This bonanza - for some - may provide farmers with a strong incentive to continue growing opium and even expand cultivation in 2011,' the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) and the Afghan counter-narcotics ministry said in their joint annual survey.

The illicit crop also became more attractive as the price of wheat dropped.

Afghanistan's share of global production dropped to 77 per cent in terms of tonnage, but it REMAINED THE WORLD'S BIGGEST OPIUM PRODUCING COUNTRY.

The acreage where the plant was eradicated dropped to a five-year- low, as central government forces stopped its anti-opium campaigns, while only provincial authorities continued doing so.

'The security situation continued to be hostile for eradication campaigns as most of the opium cultivation was confined to the southern and western provinces, which are affected by insurgency and organized crime groups,' the report said.

The number of poppy-free provinces remained stagnant at 20.

UNODC recorded cultivation area increases of 97 per cent in the country's north-east. But as in previous years, the main growing areas were in the south and west, where the Taliban are most active. (end)




remember it was the taliban who opposed opium production (on religious grounds) and actually had almost eradicated opium production at one time.

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