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Old 08-16-2011, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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The President had a super-majority in Congress elected by a majority of Americans who voted to pass the Health Care Reform law. Nothing wrong with that. Sounds like democracy to me.
If that's the case, why it was negotiated with bribes behind closed doors with no input from rank and file Members of Congress (D's or R's)? "We have to pass it to see what's in it." I distinctly remember Zero telling us that the hearings/negotiations would be out in the open and televised on CSPAN. What happened, other than it being rammed down our throats?

Enough of that, back to the original topic....
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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As markets fall in anticipation that there may not be a timely resolution; as credit agencies issue dire warnings that the U.S. political system has become so dysfunctional that a credit downgrade may be inevitable, and as America looks weakened in the eyes of the world, the tea party’s hostage-taking has evolved into the intentional infliction of harm on innocent Americans to achieve a political objective – terrorism.

Terrorism is a tough term, but, unfortunately, it describes tea party tactics precisely. Their first step was to vow not to vote to raise the debt ceiling.

Here, as in many radical factions, there was a split between the purists and the pragmatists. Pragmatists vowed not to raise the ceiling unless draconian cuts were made in the federal government.

Purists didn’t bother with an “unless.” They, including presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachman (R-Minn.), were willing to let the entire edifice come crashing down — hiding behind magical thinking that allowed them to deny that anything horrible would happen if the ceiling were not raised.

Opinion: The tea party's terrorist tactics - William Yeomans - POLITICO.com
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Every Democratic President elected since FDR has produced a balanced budget or a surplus.
This type of post is firm proof that the education system in the United States has failed us.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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If that's the case, why it was negotiated with bribes behind closed doors with no input from rank and file Members of Congress (D's or R's)? "We have to pass it to see what's in it." I distinctly remember Zero telling us that the hearings/negotiations would be out in the open and televised on CSPAN. What happened, other than it being rammed down our throats?

Enough of that, back to the original topic....
The Health Care bill was very transparent and there was enough time allowed to debate it. Teabaggers are upset because they didn't get to hijack it like they did the debt ceiling debate.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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By all accounts their acts of terror worked as the final debt deal was heavily tilted in their favor. That is why I find it a bit odd that people in the tea party would feel insulted when others compare them to terrorists. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
They want America to fail. They mimic the conduct of Louis Farrakhan strategies undermining the nation under pretense of legitimate political contribution. The only difference between them is the color and the dogma they twist unmercifully to justify their egregious behavior.

They are in fact terrorists, as are all faux conservative candidates operating lockstep with think tanks showing up to elections void of constructive plans. They're entirely empty handed of credible constructive endeavors and animate themselves as disruptive to the court. Only destructive plans in relentless march off a cliff ever since Reagan, but in all fairness, it's the think tanks predating Reagan who are responsible for peddling poison to conservative minds.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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As markets fall in anticipation that there may not be a timely resolution; as credit agencies issue dire warnings that the U.S. political system has become so dysfunctional that a credit downgrade may be inevitable, and as America looks weakened in the eyes of the world, the tea party’s hostage-taking has evolved into the intentional infliction of harm on innocent Americans to achieve a political objective – terrorism.

Terrorism is a tough term, but, unfortunately, it describes tea party tactics precisely. Their first step was to vow not to vote to raise the debt ceiling.

Here, as in many radical factions, there was a split between the purists and the pragmatists. Pragmatists vowed not to raise the ceiling unless draconian cuts were made in the federal government.
Purists didn’t bother with an “unless.†They, including presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachman (R-Minn.), were willing to let the entire edifice come crashing down — hiding behind magical thinking that allowed them to deny that anything horrible would happen if the ceiling were not raised.

Opinion: The tea party's terrorist tactics - William Yeomans - POLITICO.com
Excellent analysis!
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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I wish he would do that too. But he is too decent of a person to be dragged down to the wallow with the teapigs.
They're not even a legit party. They are hodge podge of corporate boot lickers (just opposite of the folks whose name they stole) and religious fanatic hypocrits. If there was a legit Tea Party, this bunch of radical fringe oath to Grover Norquist flying monkees aint it!
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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They want America to fail. They mimic the conduct of Louis Farrakhan strategies undermining the nation under pretense of legitimate political contribution. The only difference between them is the color and the dogma they twist unmercifully to justify their egregious behavior.

They are in fact terrorists, as are all faux conservative candidates operating lockstep with think tanks showing up to elections void of constructive plans. They're entirely empty handed of credible constructive endeavors and animate themselves as disruptive to the court. Only destructive plans in relentless march off a cliff ever since Reagan, but in all fairness, it's the think tanks predating Reagan who are responsible for peddling poison to conservative minds.
Very well reasoned.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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They're not even a legit party. They are hodge podge of corporate boot lickers (just opposite of the folks whose name they stole) and religious fanatic hypocrits. If there was a legit Tea Party, this bunch of radical fringe oath to Grover Norquist flying monkees aint it!
So true!
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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They call the President every name in the book but then bristle when their actions and behavior are been compared to terrorists. The Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines terrorism as:



Hence the Tea Party's push during the debt ceiling debate for the ceiling not to be raised unless ALL their demands were met was a clear example of terrorism. It was terrorism because they knew that the U.S. would suffer catastrophic economic consequences if the debt ceiling wasn't raised and they were trying to use this to coerce the U.S. Government into giving them what they want... essentially paying them a ransom.

By all accounts their acts of terror worked as the final debt deal was heavily tilted in their favor. That is why I find it a bit odd that people in the tea party would feel insulted when others compare them to terrorists. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
When did the Tea Party take over control of either house of Congress? How can they be to blame for that abortion since they don't have a majority of either house? Oh yes, it is the Dems who are accusing them of what they couldn't have done since they don't have enough seats in either house.
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