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Old 08-09-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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If you remove the donations given to churches, liberals give slightly more that conservatives. How much of this battle do you think is even relevant?
Many of the donations to churches go to otherwise secular causes, e.g. food shelves, relief efforts, etc.
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Prison!
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If you remove the donations given to churches, liberals give slightly more that conservatives. How much of this battle do you think is even relevant?
A lot church money went to charity and whatnot. Would you rather to give to some non-profit organization with a CEO making high salary and expenses or to non-profit organizations like Casa De Maryland or Acorn?
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A lot church money went to charity and whatnot. Would you rather to give to some non-profit organization with a CEO making high salary and expenses or to non-profit organizations like Casa De Maryland or Acorn?
You consider Acorn a charity ?
I'd go with Goodwill or Salvation Army..but not Acorn.
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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The more substantial question is why don't wealthy liberals VOLUNTARILY give a greater portion of their income away to various foundations?
To all the whiny leftist ... here you go ..

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/for...ormId=23779454
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The question is, If liberals are so concerned about disparities then why don't they give more at all?

Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Where did they get those statistics, I don't recall any charity requesting my political affiliation??
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Read the rest of the article here: The Charitable-Giving Divide - NYTimes.com

One thing I have questioned in recent days is why upper-income people tend not to give as a great of a percentage of their income as lower-income people. After all, one would naturally expect lower-income people to give a much lower portion or none of their paltry earnings to charity, as they have their own needs and basic wants to meet. People with high incomes often have a great amount of superfluous income and could easily sacrifice a large portion of it without seeing a significant reduction in their standard of living, which would still be high. Yet according to this article, it does not work this way.

This raises a number of questions: Are the wealthy simply selfish, with an "I got mine" mentality, or are there other explanations? Do they tend not to have any experience with poverty, and hence are unable to sympathize with the poor and needy? Do they believe what additional amount they pay in taxes covers their obligations towards charity?

Also, just an anecdotal observation, but I've noticed that the very well-off tend to donate more to charitable causes involving animal welfare. Has this been your experience? If so, why do you think this is?
Do you have any stats to back up your claim that the wealthy do not give more than the poor? What about charities? What about scholarships? What about money they give to disaster areas? Do you have any stats or is this just yet another opinion?
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:45 PM
 
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I'm all in favor of charitable giving. In fact, I gave MORE of my income (a fraction of the vice-president's salary & earnings) in both actual dollars and as a % of income than VP Joe Biden last year-> on his $379k income, he managed to part with $4,400 cash in charitable giving. PATHETIC. Obama gave more - 10% of his $1.8M income. That's a big improvement over 2000-2006, when the Obamas gave between 0-6% of their income to charity. Again, PATHETIC. And they want you to think they care about the poor and middle classes- if they did, they'd put their money where their mouths are.

Hate Bush all you want, but he made over $500k in charitable donations during his 8 years in office. Typically gave right around 10% each year. This is consistent with his pre-political giving as many charities in Dallas can attest to. Bush 41 gave $800k to charity his 3rd year in office- over 60% of his income.

Tax History Project: Presidential Tax Returns
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Liberals are very generous -with other peoples' money.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:54 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The question is, If liberals are so concerned about disparities then why don't they give more at all?

Study: Conservatives More Generous Than Liberals
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Sounds like the problem is wealthy liberals selfishly hoarding money.
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