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Old 08-11-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Does the development aid lead to profits for American businesses or the US treasury? If not, forget about it.

I am only interested in giving foreign aid if it leads to profits for America.

In other words, "Do they have oil?"

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Old 08-11-2011, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The US and Israel stand together against those who want to eliminate us PRECISELY because we support Israel and it's ethnic cleansing campaign against the Palestinians. Don't buy the koolaid.

The Middle East is none of our business and we should not be involved. We are in North America. We need to get out and if we never supported Israel in the first place, we would never have been a target of terrorism or 911, or have gotten into the countless wars that have bankrupted our country.

Wake up. Israel is not the good guy.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The Jordanians in Palestine are a tool, the Islamists could easily provide for their needs, but they choose not to. They are a weapon against Israel. They don't want peace, they want to eliminate Israell, along with us, because they hate western values. Islam is all about domination and subjugation. You are the one that needs to wake up. Allah is Supreme, Islamist are superemecists and it is an honor to die for their cause.
Yes, we need to stay out of their counties, preserve our soverignty, secure our borders. Obama has just made us look weak. I believe his allegiance lies more with them, than with us. You and I agree, we need to get out.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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I wholeheartedly disagree. The Jordanians in Palestine are a tool, the Islamists could easily provide for their needs, but they choose not to. They are a weapon against Israel. They don't want peace, they want to eliminate Israell, along with us, because they hate western values. Islam is all about domination and subjugation. You are the one that needs to wake up. Allah is Supreme, Islamist are superemecists and it is an honor to die for their cause.
Yes, we need to stay out of their counties, preserve our soverignty, secure our borders. Obama has just made us look weak. I believe his allegiance lies more with them, than with us. You and I agree, we need to get out.
You do not know what you are talking about. Our policies have exacerbated the growth of radical Islamic groups. They do not have the capabilities to attack us even if they wanted to, which they do not if we weren't always in their region sticking our nose in their business.

Israel is not a good guy, it is not a just state, it is not a moral champion. Israel is an oppressive champion of ethnic cleansing. Do not lionize it.

I have been to the Middle East, I am well aquainted with that region. You are the one that needs to wake up.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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you do not know what you are talking about. Our policies have exacerbated the growth of radical islamic groups. They do not have the capabilities to attack us even if they wanted to, which they do not if we weren't always in their region sticking our nose in their business.

Israel is not a good guy, it is not a just state, it is not a moral champion. Israel is an oppressive champion of ethnic cleansing. Do not lionize it.

I have been to the middle east, i am well aquainted with that region. You are the one that needs to wake up.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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sacramento is right. this blind allegiance to israel is pathetic. let them handle there own wars.

if your going to cut off africa(who i would rather send money to anyways) then israel gets nothing.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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How the hell did this turn into a topic about Israel?

Back on topic... food aid is a waste of time. Partially funding infastructure projects and attaching continued funding to actual project progress would be a better way to help African economic growth.
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Old 08-11-2011, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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This is a good article from Britain re: foreign aid corruption.

This is where our money goes - Telegraph

They have a lot to lose - in Nepal, for example, there are more non-governmental organisations than doctors and teachers. So taboo a subject was aid and corruption that, until three years ago, the main donor agencies, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund had no policies for dealing with it. But after years of deliberate obfuscation, there is now so much concern at the amount of money going astray that a parliamentary inquiry into corruption in British aid is to begin hearings this week.

"You could fill your newspaper week after week with cases, there is so much corruption going on," said Robert Naiman, a policy analyst at the Centre for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, who documents the misuse of Western aid. "We are only just starting to open the Augean stables."

Among the recent cases of mis-spending is the Canadian-funded international airport at El Doret, a remote village in Kenya that just happens to be President Arap Moi's hometown. Norwegian diplomats laugh about funding a fish farm on a lake in Kenya that dried up, while the European Union paid for a salt factory in an isolated part of Queen Elizabeth National Park in Uganda. No one wanted to live there, so no salt was ever produced.

British aid allocated for housing poor Palestinians in the Gaza Strip has been used to build luxury apartments for wealthy friends of Yasser Arafat. Despite a report by auditors that 40 per cent of Mr Arafat's budget was stolen through kickbacks, Britain is continuing with its three-year £105 million aid programme to the Palestinian Authority.

The only exception was the cashew nut industry, where the government put a tax on the export of raw nuts to ensure a supply for local processing plants, one of the country's few industries. Insisting that they knew better, World Bank officials threatened to cancel £350 million in planned loans unless the tax was dropped. Reluctantly, the Mozambican government complied. Since 1996, the 10 largest processing factories have closed as cashew growers sold their nuts overseas. Half the industry's 12,000 workers lost their jobs.
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Old 08-11-2011, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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You do not know what you are talking about. Our policies have exacerbated the growth of radical Islamic groups. e .
Absolutely. Our economic bullying over these many years has created tension, distress, terror, confusion and now a whole lot of rage around the globe. It's not just the United States, of course, but our self-righteous swaggering certainly has not helped calmed the masses out there. The reasons behind why so many people are suffering should be enough to make thinking people weep.
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Old 08-11-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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''Foreign aid is the act of taking money from poor people in a rich country ad giving it to rich people in a poor country''.
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Old 08-11-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Africa has been the continual recipient of the world's charity for generations.

What's gotten better as a result?
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