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Old 08-10-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Would there be this level of "I don't condone it, but I understand it" if a flash mob of middle-class shopkeeps armed themselves with bats and molotov cocktails and went around beating the crap out of worthless underclass layabouts on welfare and snotty little yob twits complaining about the evil bourgeois oppressors and taxes they don't even pay?
NO Citizens didn't arm themselves with molotov cocktails or go around beating the crap out of anyone... complete rubbish.... even the Seik community who had three of their citizens killed by yobos running them over in a car didn't over react. They formed ranks, stood tall and showed the yobos solidarity and the yobs didn't go anywhere near them. They had a prayer meeting with many local residents near the spot that their friends and family were killed...... respect to them!!!!!!
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:13 PM
 
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I agree with this. I heard a man on the radio this morning. I believe he was a black Brit in parliament. He was raised without a father with little means, and he said the same thing. What kinds of kids, of any race and class, burn homes and businesses in their own neighborhoods? Something really, really wrong with that, but I have not studied it closely. Yes, if my kid did anything remotely close to this stuff, he would be in deep @$@#!
It's just not a logical response to poverty. Especially in a society such as England where there is opportunity out there. It may not be the easiest thing in the world to climb out of poverty, but it is far from impossible. Much easier than in the other 90% of the world.

People, rich and poor, have an instinct to take pride in their community and what they work to attain. It is simply illogical to smash your own neighborhood and therefore destroy the community you have worked to build. I honestly think a large part of this is the fact that these people have no pride in their community, as they have never contributed to it. It's like the rich kid who crashes his new $50k Mercedes and thinks nothing vs me spending 4 hours every week cleaning my old 95 camry ($500) or 97 crown vic ($900), because I paid for it.

The idea that poverty is the sole cause here can be disproven with the simple fact that not all poor people in England chose to riot. And as I pointed out, not all people who chose to riot were poor. You can be dirt poor and still carry yourself with dignity, millions of people do it every day. I believe it is a social/cultural issue. It may be exacerbated by poverty, but I highly doubt poverty is the sole or even the primary cause.

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Many are trying to make excuses for these hooligans..... That they are all poor welfare scroungers yet the arrests show that people with jobs are involved, kids with the latest phones and still at school.
This is a rush of blood to the head by scumbags who want to take from others. Messages from blackberry phones telling their scummy friends where to meet up for "freebies" and to "cause destruction". Watch the kids on their BMX Bikes..... awwww the poor things.
NO EXCUSES here..... they are opportunists bent on causing destruction and committing theft.
Yeah, cell phones, nice clothes, etc. I've watched the videos. Ridiculous.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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Democrats are fascists? And Hitler was a liberal.

Trolls are out in full force tonight.
Care to refute anything I said, or just make twit comments.

And linking Wikipedia doesn't count as a refutation.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:17 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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It's just not a logical response to poverty. Especially in a society such as England where there is opportunity out there. It may not be the easiest thing in the world to climb out of poverty, but it is far from impossible. Much easier than in the other 90% of the world.

People, rich and poor, have an instinct to take pride in their community and what they work to attain. It is simply illogical to smash your own neighborhood and therefore destroy the community you have worked to build. I honestly think a large part of this is the fact that these people have no pride in their community, as they have never contributed to it. It's like the rich kid who crashes his new $50k Mercedes and thinks nothing vs me spending 4 hours every week cleaning my old 95 camry ($500) or 97 crown vic ($900), because I paid for it.

The idea that poverty is the sole cause here can be disproven with the simple fact that not all poor people in England chose to riot. And as I pointed out, not all people who chose to riot were poor. You can be dirt poor and still carry yourself with dignity, millions of people do it every day. I believe it is a social/cultural issue. It may be exacerbated by poverty, but I highly doubt poverty is the sole or even the primary cause.



Yeah, cell phones, nice clothes, etc. I've watched the videos. Ridiculous.
Fantastic to see a intelligent post about this.
Too many "knee jerk" uninformed posts on here.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:17 PM
 
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Care to refute anything I said, or just make twit comments.

And linking Wikipedia doesn't count as a refutation.
Hitler was a liberal and Democrats are Nazi's.

How can anyone refudiate that?
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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NO Citizens didn't arm themselves with molotov cocktails or go around beating the crap out of anyone... complete rubbish.... even the Seik community who had three of their citizens killed by yobos running them over in a car didn't over react. They formed ranks, stood tall and showed the yobos solidarity and the yobs didn't go anywhere near them. They had a prayer meeting with many local residents near the spot that their friends and family were killed...... respect to them!!!!!!
I guess if three of my family members were killed by rampaging scum, I could always take solace in the fact that I would earn your respect by holding a prayer rally.

Or if the Sikhs weren't unarmed peasants like everyone else in the UK, they would have put a few rounds of buckshot into the yobs, and precluded the need for a solidarity prayer rally.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:20 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Only in America can a riot by thug opportunists be all about 'socialism" and the "evil Liberals"..... PATHETIC!
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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Lay off either the Rush or the whiskey dude.
Don't use either, unless by "Rush" you mean my mentor Rush Limbaugh, who has taught me how to see things clearly despite the liberal BS since 1988. Now put that crack-pipe down and go to work - well never mind, why start working now.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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Hitler was a liberal and Democrats are Nazi's.

How can anyone refudiate that?
Give it your best shot. Extra credit for each ad hominem about right wingers, Christians, gun owners, taxpayers, the Tea Party, Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, and Ted Nugent.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:22 PM
 
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This is a matter for a separate thread, but do some research and discover that fascism is a phenomenon of "the left". No joke. I wouldn't lie to you.

Fascism is an authoritarian philosophy, and belongs on the left side of the political spectrum along with liberalism, democrats, nazism, socialism, totalitarianism, maoism, stalinism, and Susan Sarandon.
You're right -- this is a matter for another thread. That said, I will say I have read the writings of Mussolini, Hitler and Jonah Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg is a simplistic revisionist ass who thinks and acts like a juvenile. (He's the guy who started that lie you're spreading in case you don't know.)

It's a sign of how intellectually pathetic we've become that it now passes as "truth" just a few short years after being presented in a trite, unscholarly popular book that was universally panned by historians. I recommend you read some original and secondary sources and properly educate yourself on this matter. Tune out the LimBeck.
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