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He's right! There are made of people, which provide products/services.
So if you hurt a corporation with high taxes, you hurt the people who work for that corporation AND invest in that corporation...probably like your mom, dad, aunts and uncles.
Gosh, do stink progress or media blathers ever check the facts, or do they just try to get a "controversial" soundbite and then push a narrative? The latter is correct.
...and every one of those moms, dads, aunts, uncles and cousins twice removed gets a vote just the same as every other citizen is entitled to. But of course because of right wing corporate a$$ kissing policies, these entitities get to vote multiple times. Sure, that makes sense...on which ****ing planet???
You are perfectly able to put your ignorance of the law on display for other individuals amusement.
So suggesting that not all laws are good, is a sign of ignorance? Thank you for letting me know that, I must bookmark this page for future reference.
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We all know you have been deemed all mighty master of what laws are relevant, and what ones arent..
No, people like us must rely on legal entities like you to get a clue every now and then.
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Corporations die every day.. More ignorance of reality on display, I never thought people would display their lack of knowledge so public..
Oh I know they die. In fact, I mentioned an example on the previous page... you must not have read any of that in the rush to go out and educate others about "laws" and how they are always right.
I was speaking of death penalty. So, how do these people die for their crimes? Lethal injection?
...and every one of those moms, dads, aunts, uncles and cousins twice removed gets a vote just the same as every other citizen is entitled to. But of course because of right wing corporate a$$ kissing policies, these entitities get to vote multiple times. Sure, that makes sense...on which ****ing planet???
Corporations dont vote once, let alone multiple times.
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So suggesting that not all laws are good, is a sign of ignorance? Thank you for letting me know that, I must bookmark this page for future reference.
That isnt what you said. You said that Romney was WRONG, that corporations are NOT people.. YOU WERE WRONG.. You spinning this into not liking the law isnt at all close to what you guys started with. You mocked the man, pretty much called him stupid for stating a FACT. You may not agree with the law, but that doesnt make the man wrong.
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No, people like us must rely on legal entities like you to get a clue every now and then.
So rather than admit that you were wrong, you go off and attack other posters who happened to know the truth.. Thats ok, that still makes Romney and I correct, that makes you wrong, and you attacking me wont change those facts.
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Oh I know they die. In fact, I mentioned an example on the previous page... you must not have read any of that in the rush to go out and educate others about "laws" and how they are always right.
Is this you admitting you were wrong?
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I was speaking of death penalty. So, how do these people die for their crimes? Lethal injection?
Corporations dont vote once, let alone multiple times.
But they are people! Whats getting in the way? They even have Social Security Number with misplaced hyphens.
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That isnt what you said. You said that Romney was WRONG, that corporations are NOT people.. YOU WERE WRONG...
I was quoting your point, not mine. As for Romney, he is not the only legal person who is wrong, you're among the rest of them.
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You spinning this into not liking the law isnt at all close to what you guys started with. You mocked the man, pretty much called him stupid for stating a FACT. You may not agree with the law, but that doesnt make the man wrong.
I did a terrible thing... never-never argue against emotional responses! Okay, he wasn't stupid, just an idiot.
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So rather than admit that you were wrong, you go off and attack other posters who happened to know the truth...
I know all the truth necessary about legal persons, real Americans and patriots. Thank you... don't assume that none other than the legal persons are capable.
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Thats ok, that still makes Romney and I correct, that makes you wrong, and you attacking me wont change those facts.
Damn, you've fallen in the love with "I'm correct", "you're wrong". Got anything better than that to debate?
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Is this you admitting you were wrong?
Oh, you inserted "were" here. My bad.
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Do we kill children by lethal injection?
We do kill people by lethal injection. No?
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Corporations dont vote once, let alone multipletimes.
That isnt what you said. You said that Romney was WRONG, that corporations are NOT people.. YOU WERE WRONG.. You spinning this into not liking the law isnt at all close to what you guys started with. You mocked the man, pretty much called him stupid for stating a FACT. You may not agree with the law, but that doesnt make the man wrong.
So rather than admit that you were wrong, you go off and attack other posters who happened to know the truth.. Thats ok, that still makes Romney and I correct, that makes you wrong, and you attacking me wont change those facts.
Is this you admitting you were wrong?
Do we kill children by lethal injection?
Sorry...I meant buying politicians and rendering ordinary American citizens' votes inconsequential.
Lets get to the gist of the argument in the context it was taken - as liberals are simply trying to argue class warfare (the evil "corporation") and republicans are trying to argue semantics (the greek origination of the word).
Legally, corporations are a legal business entity. But, in the context of the conversation with Romney and the citizen, it's clear - corporations are owned, run, employed by, and managed, by (*gasp*) - HUMANS. Not some IBM super computer or martians. A well managed corporation will generate wealth and create wealth for it's stockholders - and to own stock in a public company you simply need to buy a share in a free market. To be a public corporation, trading or even doing business in the US, you have to be subject to certain stringent financial regulations.
Now I think the "corporations are an evil being" talking point comes from misunderstandings of the operation of a corporation, and the concept of shareholder value. Along with publicity of high CEO salaries and bonuses. Yes there are some CEO's and board of directors making outrageious salaries, and that is a problem. But, really, how many CEO's and executives are pulling down salaries of over $1 million? In the total scheme of things there aren't really that many corporations that can afford to give that salary. It's an issue, but it's immaterial. They are mere rounding errors in the total scheme of things.
When corporations make a profit they either retain it (retained earnings) and reinvest, distribute some as discretionary bonuses to employees, or distribute it to shareholders. This, again, is heavily regulated. And shareholders (people) vote on distribution, salaries, etc. Yes they vote on it during shareholder meetings - in short, corporations are mini democracies run by people.
The argument can be made that a small number of people hold the majority of stock, but really that is not the case. Shares are distrubuted to investment houses that again are distrubuted amongst the marketplace in forms of 401k's and other invenstment tools - people.
Hey, I (and just about 70% of america) own stock/401k's, etc. When corporations do good, I do good. That means YOU are part of a corporation as well if you own any type of 401k or mutual fund. I also work for one - When a my employer does good, I make my bonus, and I am richer. Trust me - I am part of many corporations - and I am a person.
But they are people! Whats getting in the way? They even have Social Security Number with misplaced hyphens.
So do children... Children cant vote either
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I was quoting your point, not mine. As for Romney, he is not the only legal person who is wrong, you're among the rest of them.
I quoted the law.. You can mock the law but you mocking the law on an internet web forum doesnt change the law.
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I did a terrible thing... never-never argue against emotional responses! Okay, he wasn't stupid, just an idiot.
I didnt at all post an emotional response, I posted the law. If you think he's an idiot for knowing the law, whats that make those of you that dont
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I know all the truth necessary about legal persons, real Americans and patriots. Thank you... don't assume that none other than the legal persons are capable.
You mean you know all you WANT to know, and block out anything that shows you are wrong, including someone who quotes the law.. Clearly some people are more capable of others to admit they were wrong rather continuing to make a fool of themself over and over.
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Damn, you've fallen in the love with "I'm correct", "you're wrong". Got anything better than that to debate?
I quoted the legal definition which clearly says corporations are people.. What do you have other than nothing?
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Oh, you inserted "were" here. My bad.
Thats when I thought you had the capability to read the legal definition of "person" and comprehend you were wrong and admit it.. Clearly I expected too much from you
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We do kill people by lethal injection. No?
You didnt answer my question. Do we kill children by lethal injection?
We are discussing THE LAW, so why dont we review the LEGAL definition of "person"
I was discussing Romney's comments. Does being on topic offend you?
If they are considered persons, then we have a bigger problem because in may cases these "persons" are foreign nationals with foreign interests.
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