Obama lies again.......Obamacare WILL provide healthcare for illegals (election, Illinois, elect)
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[/indent]Question.. when illegal aliens show up at the hospital for treatment, will they be turned away? If not, their costs will CONTINUE to be passed onto society and WE ALL PAY.. Yes, they WILL be covered unless you are willing to tell them to get lost and not provide care..
Does the law stop providing treatment for illegals Bagger? NO it does not.. so they WILL be covered just like they have been for decades..
Your liberal sources for "news" are LYING to you..
Illegals being turned away or not at hospital clinics was never part of the discussion or the accusations the right made. They were suggesting that illegals would be covered under the healthcare law and receive insurance. They won't be, nothing in the law makes it so, and nothing in the article makes it so. What will continue to happen is if someone seeks treatment in a hospital they won't be turned away, that is the way it has always been legal or not. If someone is being rushed to the hospital do you really think we should be wasting what can be crucial time to see if they are legal or not??
The healthcare bill doesn't cover illegals, stop lying and trying to suggest it does.
[/indent]Question.. when illegal aliens show up at the hospital for treatment, will they be turned away? If not, their costs will CONTINUE to be passed onto society and WE ALL PAY.. Yes, they WILL be covered unless you are willing to tell them to get lost and not provide care..
Does the law stop providing treatment for illegals Bagger? NO it does not.. so they WILL be covered just like they have been for decades..
Your liberal sources for "news" are LYING to you..
Does the health care bill exclude illegal immigrants? It does....
Are these clinics part of the bill? I don't think so...
Does that mean illegals can't find treatment? As you pointed out, no. ERs have to take them in. But, that doesn't mean that they will be covered by the bill since it was primarily about insurance coverage.
I'm not thrilled about this... illegal immigration is one thing I lean right on.
But, I don't see how these clinics prove that the Health Care Reform bill covered illegal immigrants.
Does the health care bill exclude illegal immigrants? It does.
So illegals wont get care? I note you arent answering this question
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Originally Posted by Bagger
Are these clinics part of the bill? I don't think so...
Again, will they, or will they not get medical treatment on the taxpayers dime?
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Originally Posted by Bagger
Does that mean illegals can't find treatment? As you pointed out, no. ERs have to take them in. But, that doesn't mean that they will be covered by the bill since it was primarily about insurance coverage.
No its not.. The bill is primarily a tax bill, by Obamas own admission. YOU will pay a tax, and YOU will pay for their care, and they will sit there and continue to ring up medical costs, thereby increasing the costs for ALL.
This bill did not solve the underlying problem of people getting treatment without paying for it. Hell, if we wanted to talk rationally, we'd COVER them so they would contribute. Wouldnt want that though, would we? Illegals are now treated better by our own government than the citizens are.. Thats rather pathetic for you to be defending.
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Originally Posted by Bagger
I'm not thrilled about this... illegal immigration is one thing I lean right on.
But, I don't see how these clinics prove that the Health Care Reform bill covered illegal immigrants.
These clinics prove that Obama mislead the voters when saying that illegals wont be covered. We can sit here and play semantics all day long, but Obama directly went out and told everyone that medical costs were so high because too many people didnt have insurance, and then he went out and told the public that illegals werent covered, ignoring the fact that he counted the illegals in his computation on page 1, and then removed them on page 2.
He contradicted himself by not including illegals in the bill, and stupid Democrats stood there while he lied to your face
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Originally Posted by Smash255
Illegals being turned away or not at hospital clinics was never part of the discussion or the accusations the right made.
Yes it was. Do I have to go back through my old posts to prove you wrong?
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They were suggesting that illegals would be covered under the healthcare law and receive insurance.
Wrong because Obamacare isnt a healthcare law, its a TAX bill.. Again, Obamas own words admitted its true. Furthermore, what the hells the difference between going to the hospital and getting free care, which is what they had, and going to the hospital and getting free care, which is what they will end upwith? The fact that they dont have "insurance", passing these costs onto the consumer, fixes nothing, does it?
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Originally Posted by Smash255
They won't be, nothing in the law makes it so, and nothing in the article makes it so. What will continue to happen is if someone seeks treatment in a hospital they won't be turned away, that is the way it has always been legal or not.
BINGO.. which is what makes the bill JUNK.
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Originally Posted by Smash255
If someone is being rushed to the hospital do you really think we should be wasting what can be crucial time to see if they are legal or not??
Actually thats EXACTLY what we are doing, are we not? Checking for their "insurance" to see if they have insurance or not.. If they dont, they are illegals, if they do, they arent..
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The healthcare bill doesn't cover illegals, stop lying and trying to suggest it does.
Obama used the numbers of illegals here uninsured in his total count to justify the need for the bill, because of the tens of millions uninsured. Then Obama goes and removes tens of millions from the "bill", and you liberals sat there and let him lie to your face, that because they arent included, everything is "fixed".. Thats utter bull crap, and I would expect liberals to call out the president for calling you stupid rather than sitting here and defending his twisting of facts.
Here, lets try to dumb this down for liberals to comprehend.. Say you can go to McDonalds and buy a Big Mac meal.. no wait, lets dumb it down even further, forgot I was dealing with Democrats primarily.. You are getting McDoubles...
If illegals can go to McDonalds and get your free double cheeseburgers, and everyone else that shows up, has to pay for it.. What happens when more and more people get free cheeseburgers?
I'll answer for you because you guys seem to fail math class constantly.. The price of cheeseburgers increase on everyone else. When that price goes up to $10 a burger to compensate for the free burgers to the illegals and the government passes a bill saying everyone can now get free burgers, does this mean the illegals arent covered by the bill? NO.. it does not.. they ALREADY are covered because they ALREADY are getting free burgers.. Unless you remove their priviledge of getting burgers, they ARE covered by the bill out of statue default of current legislation.
Nice spin, but what do you expect when the link is to an ultra-right wing site? Healthcare has been given to illegals since right wing hero Reagan granted them blanket amnesty almost 30 years ago,...
You call that an ultra-rightwing source? Lately I have been seeing so many links from Daily Kos and wondered what people thought they were doing. I guess it is pretty obvious that we don't like the sources of each other.
I am sorry that you don't like the truth, so you attack the messenger. Normal for a lib. Try again and this time try to actually post something of substance.
All that poster knows how to do is quote from left leaning blogs and then turn around and attack the messenger on other people's source.
Under Obama, it's only American citizens who are required to buy health insurance of face that big fine. Illegals are not being required to pay a dime but they will continue to have completely free health care at the clinics and ER rooms. No co-pays, no hospital bills, no expensive insurance plans to pay into.
Illegals were exempted from PAYING for Obamacare but they will continue to receive all the free health care they could want.
[/indent]Question.. when illegal aliens show up at the hospital for treatment, will they be turned away? If not, their costs will CONTINUE to be passed onto society and WE ALL PAY.. Yes, they WILL be covered unless you are willing to tell them to get lost and not provide care..
Does the law stop providing treatment for illegals Bagger? NO it does not.. so they WILL be covered just like they have been for decades..
Uninsured illegals are billed for medical services. They are not "covered" unless they have private insurance.
I know it's not a shock to anybody the orator is caught lying again. Hell he probably didn't even read the bill he signed either. Probably listening to San Fran Nan at the time. We'll find out what's in it after we pass it. Amazing.
Illegals are now treated better by our own government than the citizens are.. Thats rather pathetic for you to be defending.
As were obedient slaves. Slaves cost money, so they were taken care of well as long as they were obedient. Sound familiar here.
Just like the coal and gold mines of long ago, the mules were taken care of well before the employees. The mules were an investment that cost money, employees were a dime a dozen, of overhead costs.
Our federal government has a lot invested in the illegal aliens. They are what is going to make us competitive with China and Indonesia.
Is Rep Wlson correct that Obama lied & the healthcare bill will cover non citizens?
Should Obama apologize if Rep Wilson is right?
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