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Old 08-13-2011, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Dave needs his head examined.

England's slum and cave dwellers never changed.

During the industrial revolution, Missus Brown fed bread to this populace by stealing from the colonies.

150 years on, there is no such thing to appease this section of British society. Besides, a EU in decline and Britian being its hapless trade partner is not helping at all.

This is a repeat of Paris 2004. Europe survived owing to imperialism and feudalism before that. It will never be the same for a continent in decline.
It's interesting to note that many residents of the former British colonies take a different outlook than you do on the period.


We should have stayed with Britain: Shock poll reveals 60% of Jamaicans think they'd be better as a colony | Mail Online


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In a harsh indictment of nearly 50 years of independence, 60 per cent of those surveyed hanker for the days when the country was Britain’s biggest Caribbean colony.


Only 17 per cent said the crime-ridden, poverty-stricken nation would be worse off under British rule.


The depth of feeling is particularly astonishing as generations of Jamaican leaders have portrayed the British as oppressors who subjected the Caribbean to slavery.


The Queen is still Jamaica’s head of state. Under the headline ‘Give Us The Queen!’, the Gleaner – Jamaica’s biggest newspaper – said its poll showed how much people had become ‘disillusioned’ with the violent and corrupt political gangs running the island
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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If pigs could fly, the problem with your narrative is that I would not be on the corner in the first place during the riots.
You could have been leaving your office or walking to your car or hailing a cab or going to buy a few groceries...either way you can not "escape" your Blackness by trying to intellectualize it away. People make snap judgments about people based on the way that they look and you look "Black". So it is of no matter that you do not share cultures and traditions with the Afro-Caribbeans of Great Britain because you look like them and will be prejudged accordingly.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Oh I see. Dailymail.co.uk.

Do butchers ever advocate vegetarianism
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Oh I see. Dailymail.co.uk.

Do butchers ever advocate vegetarianism
Ah dismissing the message because you don't like the messenger. The article cites the poll from a Jamaican newspaper.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You could have been leaving your office or walking to your car or hailing a cab or going to buy a few groceries...either way you can not "escape" your Blackness by trying to intellectualize it away. People make snap judgments about people based on the way that they look and you look "Black". So it is of no matter that you do not share cultures and traditions with the Afro-Caribbeans of Great Britain because you look like them and will be prejudged accordingly.
What's interesting in reading the coverage about the riots is that how some commentators took aims to say Afro-Caribbeans as opposed to merely Black. I suspect there were a few Africans in the mix but it seems to be an open secret over there that the Afro-Caribbeans are a big driver of the crime over there.

Still you maybe right but I choose to debate on the facts not make believe scenarios.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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By the looks of these rioters, it seems like more than black culture. I think it has more to do with the culture of poverty.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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it is all about class, not race which edward A continues to try and sell.

that area that rioted is one of the poorest areas in england. many whites joined in on the fun.

the only thing that involves race is that it was a black man who got killed, which was what started the riots.

i also agree with calipoppy that edward A would be lumped in right with the people he is trying to lump together if he was even outside the night of the riots.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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it is all about class, not race which edward A continues to try and sell.

that area that rioted is one of the poorest areas in england. many whites joined in on the fun.

the only thing that involves race is that it was a black man who got killed, which was what started the riots.

i also agree with calipoppy that edward A would be lumped in right with the people he is trying to lump together if he was even outside the night of the riots.
That liberal meme don't fly here. There was much worse poverty in the UK and the USA during the Great Depression and there were no roving bands of looters looking for RCA radios.

The riots started in a black area by primarily Afro-Caribbean blacks then after the police proved incapable or unwilling to stop the orgy non-blacks joined in. It's interesting to note that the riots were confined to English cities. None were reported in Cardiff, Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh or any other city outside of England. Why? Could be because these cities have very small Afro-Caribbean populations.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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That liberal meme don't fly here. There was much worse poverty in the UK and the USA during the Great Depression and there were no roving bands of looters looking for RCA radios.

The riots started in a black area by primarily Afro-Caribbean blacks then after the police proved incapable or unwilling to stop the orgy non-blacks joined in. It's interesting to note that the riots were confined to English cities. None were reported in Cardiff, Belfast, Glasgow, Edinburgh or any other city outside of England. Why? Could be because these cities have very small Afro-Caribbean populations.
So ALL other cultures of Black people (except those specifically from your Ghanaian background) are the cause of ALL the world's problems? Huh, that's fascinating to know. And yet, the cops would still hit your Black self over the head with a shillelagh so fast that you would see stars.

(sigh...it is so sad when some people can not accept their own Blackness and are not strong enough to simply fight the good fight in their own lives yet attempt to downgrade any and all other Black people instead....sad)
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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“the problem is that the whites have become black — a particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion — and black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together; this language, which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.”
I see, I see.

Black people engage in anti-social behavior - black people's fault.

White people engage in anti-social behavior - black people's fault too.

It all makes so much sense now.
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