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Old 08-17-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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JFK was a liberal.
There really weren't any liberals in 1963... It was the height of the Cold War...
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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JFK was a conservative Democrat..
No, Robert Byrd was a conservative Democrat. Al Gore, Sr. was a conservative Democrat. Lester Maddox was a conservative Democrat. Strom Thurmond, at the time, was a conservative Democrat. Nobody ever called JFK "conservative" while he was alive, and he would be horrified to be called that today.

He was, perhaps, a centrist, compared to a more classical liberal Democrat like Adlai Stevenson. But never a conservative.

I should mention I'm not a fan of JFK, but I wanted to clarify that.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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No, Robert Byrd was a conservative Democrat. Al Gore, Sr. was a conservative Democrat. Lester Maddox was a conservative Democrat. Strom Thurmond, at the time, was a conservative Democrat. Nobody ever called JFK "conservative" while he was alive, and he would be horrified to be called that today.

He was, perhaps, a centrist, compared to a more classical liberal Democrat like Adlai Stevenson. But never a conservative.

I should mention I'm not a fan of JFK, but I wanted to clarify that.
Strom Thurmond ordered the assassination of John Lennon... before you refute... It's already been declassified...
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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There really weren't any liberals in 1963... It was the height of the Cold War...

This is utter nonsense. Of course there were liberals back in 1963.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:48 AM
 
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This is utter nonsense. Of course there were liberals back in 1963.
Not really... not until Martin Luther King...
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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Not really... not until Martin Luther King...
Are you saying everyone was either a Communist or a conservative until Martin Luther King?

Martin Luther King, btw, became prominent in 1956 during the Montgomery bus boycott.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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No, Robert Byrd was a conservative Democrat. Al Gore, Sr. was a conservative Democrat. Lester Maddox was a conservative Democrat. Strom Thurmond, at the time, was a conservative Democrat. Nobody ever called JFK "conservative" while he was alive, and he would be horrified to be called that today.

He was, perhaps, a centrist, compared to a more classical liberal Democrat like Adlai Stevenson. But never a conservative.

I should mention I'm not a fan of JFK, but I wanted to clarify that.
Isn't that speculation on your part? You are simply tweaking the meaning of the term, blending it with history and stating that these are the facts.

The liberal of today has moved towards a socialist view. When JFK was in office, there was an almost universal hatred of socialists and communists from both sides of the aisle. We lived through the cold war, and people had a better understanding of what it meant.

Eisenhower warned of the military complex. JFK was probably killed by it. Johnson embraced it. Johnson began the demise of this country through liberal social programs and war mongering. When you give the people something for nothing, calling it a right, you'll have them addicted to it for life. We have a society full of entitlement addicts and a war mongering government.

We are living through the fruits of Johnsons labor.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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Not really... not until Martin Luther King...
What the $%#&?
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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Are you saying everyone was either a Communist or a conservative until Martin Luther King?

Martin Luther King, btw, became prominent in 1956 during the Montgomery bus boycott.
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What the $%#&?
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Isn't that speculation on your part. It's simply tweaking the meaning of the term, blending it with history and stating that these are the facts.

The liberal of today has moved towards a socialist view. When JFK was in office there was an almost universal hatred of socialists and communists from both sides of the aisle. We lived through the cold war and people had a better understanding of what it meant.

Eisenhower warned of the military complex, JFK was probably killed by it, Johnson embraced it. Johnson began the demise of this country through liberal social programs and war mongering. When you give the people something for nothing, and call it a right, you'll have them addicted to it for life. We have a society full of entitlement addicts and a war mongering government.
What steven_h said... Kennedy WAS killed by the Military Industrial Complex... except I think Social Security and Medicare is a good idea... What FDR stood for... There wouldn't be a middle class if it weren't for FDR...
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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What steven_h said... except I think Social Security and Medicare is a good idea... What FDR stood for... There wouldn't be a middle class if it weren't for FDR...
Which is a bunch of crap. Liberals are not socialist or communist. This is more Faux New Lies, just like the lie that Kennedy was a Conservative.

JFK's New Frontier is very much aligned with modern day liberal beliefs. The only difference is that if JFK was still alive and running on this platform, Conservatives would be calling him an evil commie.
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