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Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan
Apparently, you haven't been following financial developments in socialist Europe, huh?
Every one of these socialist paradises is facing severe budgetary cut-backs and the folks who enjoyed living off of others confiscated wealth do not like to have their subsidized goodies reduced.
Not all of them. Practically all countries in the world are having some financial problems, but certainly Denmark, Germany, Switzerland ..... in fact most except the 5 PIIGS are doing quite well. Certainly better than that libertarian paradise of Somalia. Other socialist/capitalist blends around the world such as Australia and New Zealand are doing quite well also. That seems to be because they do not allow a few wealthy hogs to live off the confiscated production of the many people who do the work. You know, the ones on the assembly lines or the ones fighting fires ........ not the ones eating the cannolis and sipping lattes in the boardroom.
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Originally Posted by ClarkStreetKid
And the dirty secret about those universal healthcare systems is that people who can afford it buy extra insurance so they don't have to go to it. This makes the insurers happy as they don't have to deal with the poor, who usually are in poorer health. Next.
Have you ever heard of the word "propaganda"? It's a word that most Americans seem to believe isn't relevant to them. I've heard that same sort of propaganda and used to believe it when I was much younger and more gullible ....... until I got on the internet and was actually able to question people about how bad their healthcare is in the nations with a universal system.
I would say that roughly 90% or more of people who had experienced life under both the US and another country, said they preferred to be under the universal system. The very few who like their US experience more had very good jobs with excellent private insurance. But that's just my experience ....... you might do the same. Simply start threads asking about the best national healthcare system people have lived under. Don't load the question, simply ask it in an evenhanded unemotional way. You might be very surprised at the responses.
But, that's exactly what the secular-progressive-liberal Marxist Left believes and why they are strong advocates of always raising taxes on the rich so that the rich can be punished for being successful.
With his 70% top Tax Rate
I say Nixon Now!
Tinkle down O'er me.
Last edited by Crookhaven; 08-17-2011 at 05:28 AM..
Crooks, those high tax rates took place at a time when the U.S. economy did not face the competition from Europe and East Asia, as it has experienced in the last 30 or so years.
There are so many other ways of imposing tax besides the (earned) income tax. There are estate taxes, capital gains taxes (the REAL way to relieve the upper class of their money), land taxes, exit taxes, luxury taxes, and amending trust law.
Unsurprisingly, tax law in general protects the rich. A politician has 3 grades of supporters: the ideologues/attack dogs, the voting proles, and the bankers. Our current set of tax laws and allowable trusts are, in essence, a thanks to the "bankers." I use "bankers" as a catch-all for whatever rich personalities bankroll the politician.
Crooks, those high tax rates took place at a time when the U.S. economy did not face the competition from Europe and East Asia, as it has experienced in the last 30 or so years.
Perhaps, but we were at war.
So you're defending income inequality and the fact that 400 Americans hold more wealth than the rest of us (since Reagan) how?
If you're one of those 400 than I respect your position.
The triumph of right wing propaganda..it should be studied by psychologists as it is one of the most brilliant sucker plays in American history.
You have people making 60K talking the same talk that only Texas oil billionaires did back in the 1920's. Taxes are "penalties", or "stealing", "wealth re-distribution". They believe things like European mixed economies are "Socialist" and "less free" than us.
Have you ever been to Scandanavia? You should see how hard a Swede or Dane laughs when they hear a right wing moron on Fox say that they have less freedom than we do..while they are visiting the US on a one year world travel after graduating college and not having $100K in student loan debt hanging over their heads, covered by their countries health insurance if they twist their ankle climbing up Pike's peak. No freedom there, get back in the bread line Bjorn!!
It's really warped when you step back from it, the complete nonsense that people in this country have bought.
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