The Left's Criticism of Obama (radical, Reid, leader, party)
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Well I just couldn't pass this thread up. Obama supporter here.
Realistically, I think Obama's chances are increasingly shaky. The only thing that gives me hope is that he is running against a field that is anything but loaded. Conservatives are right that Obama's not a very popular guy right now, even among his base. However, put him up against any of the likely GOP nominees and he actually has a fighting chance, which is similar to the 2004 election in which, by all accounts, GWB should have lost in a landslide given his declining popularity at the time, yet managed to pull it off due to the ineptitude and lack of oomph that Kerry brought to the table.
Something that hasn't been talked about yet, but might start gaining tracking as time goes along is the possibility of a 1980 all over again. By that, I mean that if Obama's support on the left continues to deteriorate there might be calls for someone to run against him in the primaries. And not just anyone. He could possibly end up running against Hillary or someone like that, and man would that be a nightmare. He's very close to that point, I think. The debt ceiling was a disaster for Obama, politically. Not because it gave a gift to the tea party (they have been in a tailspin too actually), but because it increased the likelihood that Obama's political aspirations in 2012 could implode from within. A strong primary challenger would be devastating because he would have to spend money and attention fighting off a major challenger and it would weaken him (or whoever wins) against a GOP challenger. Who knows...Nader might make a comeback too. Either way, I think that's Obama's biggest nightmare right now, and it's increasingly possible.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh too dang bad we don't have a loaded economy ha! can thank Obama for that too.
Pretty grim news today. Unemployment figures for this month alone over 408,000 housing values plummeted once again down 3.5% and stocks down over 450 points, wow he is really on a hell of roll.
His challenge is against his own self.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh too dang bad we don't have a loaded economy ha! can thank Obama for that too.
Pretty grim news today. Unemployment figures for this month alone over 408,000 housing values plummeted once again down 3.5% and stocks down over 450 points, wow he is really on a hell of roll.
His challenge is against his own self.
The stock market isn't the best indicator of economic strength. It's basically a legalized casino, and people put money in and take money out for all kinds of reasons, some of which have nothing to do with the American economy itself.
Don't take any of that seriously. Liberals always orchestrate phony "criticism from the left" at election time. They think it makes them appear less extreme than they really are.
I'm very critical of Obama and I've referred to him as Bush 2.5. What I'm more critical of is the insanity that caused you to write with such broad generalizations. Demonize much? I'm more critical of the extremism that passes for acceptable to the right, an extremism that never gets checked or measured.
Obama has made mistakes in my view, though I support his rhetoric and stated goals (which do not include destroying the country, imposing sharia law, or making himself a socialist dictator, contrary to whatever the screeching right has coming out of its foaming mouths).
As far as having enough experience to be President, who does? We expect too much from our President, and therein lies a significant problem. We disempower ourselves by giving the office all the responsibility. We accept none of it ourselves and point fingers until the office changes hands. Then we repeat the process because we never learn.
The problem isn't Obama. It's the psychology of a nation deliberately divided, childishly stubborn (and/or ignorant), and a refusal to both address our problems and compromise to solve them.
But go ahead and say "liberals always" with arrogant confidence. It does so much to help the situation.
I'm very critical of Obama and I've referred to him as Bush 2.5. What I'm more critical of is the insanity that caused you to write with such broad generalizations. Demonize much? I'm more critical of the extremism that passes for acceptable to the right, an extremism that never gets checked or measured.
Obama has made mistakes in my view, though I support his rhetoric and stated goals (which do not include destroying the country, imposing sharia law, or making himself a socialist dictator, contrary to whatever the screeching right has coming out of its foaming mouths).
As far as having enough experience to be President, who does? We expect too much from our President, and therein lies a significant problem. We disempower ourselves by giving the office all the responsibility. We accept none of it ourselves and point fingers until the office changes hands. Then we repeat the process because we never learn.
The problem isn't Obama. It's the psychology of a nation deliberately divided, childishly stubborn (and/or ignorant), and a refusal to both address our problems and compromise to solve them.
But go ahead and say "liberals always" with arrogant confidence. It does so much to help the situation.
What this guy said.
The problem isn't the politicians -- well it is, but the point is, the politicians are a reflection of us. We're supposedly a democracy after all. This country is more than just divided; it's caught up in this loopy notion that each individual is entitled not only to their own opinions, but their own facts and their own interpretation of other facts. You see this crap on the global warming threads or in other discussions. People believe whatever they choose to believe, because they think it's their right to do so. It's a form of individualism that has been taken to a dangerous extreme. I chalk it up to a generation or two of people who've been pandered to by consumerist corporations.
I'm very critical of Obama and I've referred to him as Bush 2.5. What I'm more critical of is the insanity that caused you to write with such broad generalizations. Demonize much? I'm more critical of the extremism that passes for acceptable to the right, an extremism that never gets checked or measured.
Obama has made mistakes in my view, though I support his rhetoric and stated goals (which do not include destroying the country, imposing sharia law, or making himself a socialist dictator, contrary to whatever the screeching right has coming out of its foaming mouths).
As far as having enough experience to be President, who does? We expect too much from our President, and therein lies a significant problem. We disempower ourselves by giving the office all the responsibility. We accept none of it ourselves and point fingers until the office changes hands. Then we repeat the process because we never learn.
The problem isn't Obama. It's the psychology of a nation deliberately divided, childishly stubborn (and/or ignorant), and a refusal to both address our problems and compromise to solve them.
But go ahead and say "liberals always" with arrogant confidence. It does so much to help the situation.
Observing political gamesmanship at work is neither extremism nor demonization. Politicians go to great lengths to fabricate an image that's acceptable to the mainstream. In politics things are rarely what they seem. Forgive me for bursting your bubble...
Observing political gamesmanship at work is neither extremism nor demonization. Politicians go to great lengths to fabricate an image that's acceptable to the mainstream. In politics things are rarely what they seem. Forgive me for bursting your bubble...
Well forgive me for pointing out that you're essentially brainwashed. Seriously, no less brainwashed than someone who grew up in North Korea or the People's Republic of China. The only difference is that you're voluntarily sacrificing yourself.
Well forgive me for pointing out that you're essentially brainwashed. Seriously, no less brainwashed than someone who grew up in North Korea or the People's Republic of China. The only difference is that you're voluntarily sacrificing yourself.
Ha ha - that's good - if I don't believe everything the politicians want me to believe, I must be brainwashed! I seem to have missed the memo that happy hour was starting early today...
So, not being a career politician must be a terrible thing. To be open to compromise, to not always follow party lines... must be a great weakness.
I thought his not being a typical politician was one of the reasons he was elected. He sounded new and different.
Never having run anything doesn't mean much as long as you got the ideas that the army of specialists will turn into concrete laws etc.
If I were American I would not vote for him again, though, as he has simply not lived up to the expectations of the left. He is not conservative enough on the one hand, and not progressive enough on the other. Lost somehow...
I thought his not being a typical politician was one of the reasons he was elected. He sounded new and different.
Never having run anything doesn't mean much as long as you got the ideas that the army of specialists will turn into concrete laws etc.
If I were American I would not vote for him again, though, as he has simply not lived up to the expectations of the left. He is not conservative enough on the one hand, and not progressive enough on the other. Lost somehow...
The real problem is, there's really no mandate from the voters. There's a mandate to "do something", but that's about it. We voted for GWB into power once and re-elected him again in 2004, giving him what was somewhat close to a mandate for all of 4-6 years. Of course, two wars that went nowhere, rising deficits, and the first glimpses of pressures on the American economy forced voters to re-think that and they voted in Democrats, which essentially gave us a deadlocked government of two highly partisan factions. Then we tried to correct that in 2008 and gave Obama about six months to turn around the worst economic disaster in 80 years -- not to mention those two wars by this point had raged on with no end in sight. I say six years, because that's about the time that the voting public turned on Obama.
The one failure I will agree with conservatives on is the healthcare bill. I think it was the right effort -- conservatives here will heartily disagree but the evidence suggests that universal healthcare is a good thing. I think it was the right effort....but the wrong time, and he should have just let the Republicans kill it. I said it back when the damn watered down piece of crap legislation passed that this "victory" for Obama and the left was a gift to the right, and that turned out to be the truth. And I think he's never recovered from that. It allowed the right wing to write the narrative that he's the mythical tax and spender socialist who puts social programs ahead of getting the American people back to work. The facts, objectively speaking, paint a fairly good portrayal of Obama, but his characterization in political circles is probably one of a guy who's somewhat disconnected from the values of the average working class voter, and on top of that, he looks like someone who is increasingly running out of ideas. I don't think that's what's really happening, mind you, but that's the way it looks.
But I'm sorry, the blame for most of our problems lies with ourselves as voters and as a society. We're more worried about whether we're going to have an NFL season than we are about whether we're going to have 10 percent unemployment or higher. Pretty sad commentary on what kind of brainless society we've become.
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housing values plummeted once again down 3.5%
and stocks down over 450 points, 
wow he is really on a hell of roll.
