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Old 03-23-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, in that case the city should outweigh the state if you feel like you want entities instead people to decide.
It is not a one-way street. Farmers produce food, but they get industrial products and services from the cities.
well thank you for admitting it

you feel that only cities should count and suburbs and rural can go scratch.....thanks for clearing that up
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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well thank you for admitting it

you feel that only cities should count and suburbs and rural can go scratch.....thanks for clearing that up
I did not say only. But when 80% live in cities, why should rural folks' vote count for more than 20%?
Nor is there hardly any state that is exclusively rural OR urban.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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Yes, in that case the city should outweigh the state if you feel like you want entities instead people to decide.
It is not a one-way street. Farmers produce food, but they get industrial products and services from the cities.
Industrial products and services from the cities?? Not so much, really. Cities are big consumers, but not big producers. Ask any trucking company. That's why it's so expensive to ship into New England, but shipping out of New England is super-cheap. Because there's a lot more product going in than coming out.

Urban areas like a lot of amenities, too. And when they control the legislature, they get to compel rural citizens to help pay for those amenities. That's part of the reason for the tension between New York City and upstate New York. And that's part of the reason for the tension nationally between urban areas and rural areas.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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really...you think so???


New York city(the city not the state) has a bigger population than over 10 other states COMBINED

nyc population 8.3 million

wyoming 544k
vermont 621k
n. dakota 640k
alaska 690k
s. dakota 821k
delaware 885k
montana 974k
rhode island 1.01 million
hawaii 1.2 million
maine 1.3 million

total 7.8 million

10 states combined less than the population of NY CITY


you use chicago...ok the population of chicago (A CITY) is 2.7 million..the entire STATE of nebraska is 1.8 million

should a city negate a whole state???
That is based on the wrong assumption that Chicago voters are one block and the'll vote for their "city interest". Nothing is further from truth. Large cities have diverse populations and don't vote for a single issue or with a single topic in mind. Individualism prevails mostly in the cities. In NYC for example there is a large Catholic population, Jewish, Black, Chinese, Hispanic, as well as Irish and Italian. Very rich and very poor. If anything, Nebraska is probably more uniform in their vote. I don't see any presidential candidate promising NYkers a "great deal" (on the expense of suburbia or Nebraska) elected by this city.

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Old 03-23-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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I did not say only. But when 80% live in cities, why should rural folks' vote count for more than 20%?
Nor is there hardly any state that is exclusively rural OR urban.
Because tyranny of the majority is not a good thing.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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That is based on the wrong assumption that Chicago voters are one block and the'll vote for their "city interest". Nothing is further from truth. Large cities have diverse populations and don't vote for a single issue or with a single topic in mind. Individualism prevails mostly in the large cities. If anything, Nebraska is probably more uniform in their vote.
Large cities have diverse populations, but those diverse populations will vote as a bloc when it comes to money. As in, compelling rural areas to help pay for amenities and services that serve urban areas only. As in providing themselves with amenities and services and telling rural citizens, well you're SOOL, buddy, you should move to the city.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Large cities have diverse populations, but those diverse populations will vote as a bloc when it comes to money. As in, compelling rural areas to help pay for amenities and services that serve urban areas only. As in providing themselves with amenities and services and telling rural citizens, well you're SOOL, buddy, you should move to the city.
Agriculture is heavily subsidized, guess where most of that money comes from...
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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Agriculture is heavily subsidized, guess where most of that money comes from...
Guess where it goes....

To BIG Agricultural companies. The days of small farms providing the bulk of agricultural products is behind us.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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Large cities have diverse populations, but those diverse populations will vote as a bloc when it comes to money. As in, compelling rural areas to help pay for amenities and services that serve urban areas only. As in providing themselves with amenities and services and telling rural citizens, well you're SOOL, buddy, you should move to the city.
Even if this is correct (which I don't accept), how that has to do with the POTUS? Again, I am not speaking of state elections or congress.
For and against Obamacare, the defense budget, war with Iran, unemployment, environmental regulations, wall street, etc, etc. - how is Nebraska effected differently than Chicago? The topics that effect one state differently that other, are very few (when dealt by the president). Yes, at state level or in congress, its not the same.

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Old 03-23-2012, 02:28 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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It would be a nightmare to me for the rest of the United States to turn into what California has become and I fear a popular vote president would cause this to happen. Our forefathers put a genius plan into place making our country balanced. The whoe idea is that large numbers can get together and control other peoples lives. We have a house that represents the popular vote and a senate that keeps the less populated states from being bullied. I think the fly-over states some of you talk about as being the glue that holds our country together.

It is not perfect, but it has held together for centuries. Leave it alone and spend your time learning to tolerate those people that are different than you.
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