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At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
IT WAS NEVER DOUBTED
Hate to break the hearts of the Obama supporters....but he is not a natural born citizen according to Chief Justice Waite and very very doubtful he is a citizen under the 14th Amendment and WKA.
Take a few moments..digest this...then give me your thoughts...we are here to help you all through this.
The Minor case is irrelevant to citizenship. The Wong case is en pointe, you simply don't read it correctly. Obama was born in Hawaii. His parentage is irrelevant. He was born in the United States and is therefore a natural-born citizen of the United States.
Now, if you don't like it, write to your legislative representatives to get the laws changed. But nothing you do at this point will change the law as it stood when Obama was born, born in the USA.
this is like the definition of trolling. You aren't going to debate or discus any facts, you're just going to repeat the same debunked "argument" based on a single out-of-context quote from an obscure court case that nobody who actually knows anything about law ever cites and then just accuse anyone who disagrees with you to be engaging in "deception." HURRRRRRRRR DURRRRRR
Vattel never mentioned natural born citizenship once.
The US Supreme Court said he did...
Justice Daniel...
"Thus Vattel, in the preliminary chapter to his Treatise on the Law of Nations, says:.....
"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages.
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights."
Again: "I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to settle and stay in the country." (Vattel, Book 1, cap. 19, p. 101.)
The Minor case is irrelevant to citizenship. The Wong case is en pointe, you simply don't read it correctly. Obama was born in Hawaii. His parentage is irrelevant. He was born in the United States and is therefore a natural-born citizen of the United States.
Now, if you don't like it, write to your legislative representatives to get the laws changed. But nothing you do at this point will change the law as it stood when Obama was born, born in the USA.
Nonsense. Wong was affirmed a citizen not.... a natural born citizen. His parents were permanent residents at his birth. This is in the decision.
Obama's father was not a permanent resident.
Thanks for playing.
Last edited by DraggingCanoe; 08-23-2011 at 04:57 AM..
"At the request of tea party leaders in Arizona, famed Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has promised to investigate the validity of Barack Obama's purported long-form birth certificate in a determination of the president's eligibility for the county's 2012 election ballot."
A county sheriff only answers to the people..not the Congress..not the President..not the Justice Department..not the Obamatrons...the people.
Nonsense. Wong was affirmed a citizen not.... a natural born citizen. His parents were permanent residents at his birth. This is in the decision.
Obama's father was not a permanent resident.
Thanks for playing.
So, what you are telling us is that you don't care about American citizenship laws at all.
I repeat, there are only TWO kinds of American citizenship, the kind you are BORN with (hence natural-born citizenship), and the kind you acquire through naturalization.
You are insisting that there is a third. It's your own personal fantasy, but it has no legal precedent.
I would thank you for playing, but you really haven't played at all, because your deck is incomplete.
Nonsense. Wong was affirmed a citizen not.... a natural born citizen. His parents were permanent residents at his birth. This is in the decision.
Obama's father was not a permanent resident.
Note again the definition of natural born citizen provided by Wong Kim Ark. Permanent residency of the parents is irrelevant.
Quote:
It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
The only people who care what Barney Fife does down in Arizona are the people in Arizona. Fortunately, he has no affect on anyone else. If they are stupid enough to continue reelect him, that is there problem.
Not nearly as stupid as those who voted for Barry.
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