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Old 09-01-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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Now we are calling porn in a PUBLIC library or a school a novel? That's rich.... "Of war and peace" is a novel... not some sick written garbage by a pedophile.
You managed to somehow capitalize the key word in your rant.

It's PUBLIC.

That means for everyone, not just you, not just me. Adults have a First Amendment right to access material with sexual content if that's their thing.

This is a settled point, legally speaking. If you don't like porn, don't look at it.

I don't like it either, but I don't think it's my prerogative or the government's to deny access to it for those who do.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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You managed to somehow capitalize the key word in your rant.

It's PUBLIC.

That means for everyone, not just you, not just me. Adults have a First Amendment right to access material with sexual content if that's their thing.

This is a settled point, legally speaking. If you don't like porn, don't look at it.

I don't like it either, but I don't think it's my prerogative or the government's to deny access to it for those who do.
I am not talking about adults viewing it, I am talking about kids.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Liberals calling others authoritarian are like the pot calling the kettle black.
You confuse social liberals and libertarians with communist authoritarians. That's incorrect. This seems to be a chronic misunderstanding among right wing authoritarians, aka fascists.

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We are referring to CHILDREN here, not adults. Big difference
Yes, we are, and yes there is. Some restrictions are proper and constitutional.

Some are not.

I don't think you really understand how to tell the difference.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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I am not talking about adults viewing it, I am talking about kids.
And where would you draw the entirely aribitrary line?

Because it IS arbitrary.

I've got a kid myself, I completely understand the need to shield them from certain influence, depending on age.

The problem is giving the government the authority to make the rules for everyone, in a one-size-fits-all solution that will always be wrong in some case or another.

You are a conservative, no? Well then, let personal responsibility reign.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I don't know what's more obscene, the trash books on the reading list, or the comments on this thread attempting to justify that books which depict pedophilia, sex orgies and drug use are o.k. for the consumption of middle school and high school children.

And this quote from the linked article of the O.P.

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“Some of the language is inappropriate,” said Chuck Earling, superintendent of Monroe Township Schools in Williamstown, NJ. “We were not trying to create controversy. We were just trying to get students to read.”
We were just trying to get students to read. So they pad the summer reading list with salacious content. WTF?

Why not just have the kids watch "Jersey Shore" over the summer and write a book report on it?
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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"Most of us can remember many of the books on the assigned reading list in middle and high school — from Charles Dickens’ “Great Expectations†to Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s “Crime and Punishment.†Today, however, required reading for students apparently includes “Tweak: Growing up on Methamphetamines,†a book that features a scene depicting a homosexual orgy and “Norwegian Wood,†a book that features a sex scene between a 31-year-old woman and a 13-year old girl."
Sounds a lot more interesting than Dickens, frankly.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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We were just trying to get students to read. So they pad the summer reading list with salacious content. WTF?

Why not just have the kids watch "Jersey Shore" over the summer and write a book report on it?
'Cause that's not reading?
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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I'm still shocked at these functionally illiterate nutters that reduce great literary works to the single page where something salacious might happen that could be no more than incidental to the plot.

Uncultured boobs. Oh crap, I said boobs. Now I'm in trouble.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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How else will the kids learn about "lesbian sex,Gay orgy". Finding a girlfriend and taking part in an orgy? Better they read about it before deciding to give it (whatever it is) a try.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Oh my goodness! If you dislike what your children can pick up at their school library talk to the librarian and tell her that you want a list of the books with this content or tell them that you do not want your child to take Out specific books with specific content. It's done at my school all the time.

All I have to say that sitting here saying how inappropriate books are isn't going to do anything if it is not reinforced by action. I am a junior, and I pretty much read whatever I want and the books in my school library do have sex scenes but all the ones that do have a moral at the end. All stories are not written by pedophiles. I read a book ( can't Remember the name) where the author was a 17 year old girl who had sex scenes in her memoir, want to know why? It had sex scenes because she was explaining how discusting she felt because she was being forced into prostituitin by her drunken, abusive father. She later goes on to explain how because of these experiences she grew up to help other girls et out of abuse situations.

And for all of those people who say that teenagers can't relate to these book ( as I said before these should not be in a child's library, high school is different) your wrong. Teenagers in today's society are faced with a lot just as they've always been. Only difference now is that these experiences are allowed and accepted to be written and now there is a higher abundance of technology. So when an author says they slept around because they thought it would make them more "popular" a girl who sent a naked picture of herself to a friend who sent it to a friend who sent it to a friend can relate. A girl who is sexually abused or raped can relate to a story which has a sex scene involving beig thrown up avaunt a wall etc.

If YOU don't like your child to take out these books do something about it for YOUR child, dot try to remove all the books with this content because YOU are unhappy that YOUR child has access to them.
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