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Would you defend those people, as you're defending one here?
I wouldn't take the position that their argument was completely invalid just because someone else saw another thing. That is not a black and white issue, nor is this.
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Not "somehow", but yes. Didn't you see this as an artwork depicting racism?
It does depict racism. I understand the deeper meaning behind it. But it still depicts racism. You don't see racism. That doesn't mean others won't.
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Hence my point in earlier post that people seem to talk more about others than presenting their own view in these boards.
Well, if we were only talking about ourselves here this thread would be completely pointless.
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Emotions get the best of us.
Yeah. Just as they will of others looking at this. My point exactly.
I'm not an art guy; looking deeper into it I can see your message as well. But my argument is based on what I think the average person will think when they see this. Now if you think I'm wrong, that's fine, maybe I am. But that's what I think.
Assuming you know other peoples education and thought processes when looking at the piece is where you go down the wrong path.
To say the entire debate here is a strawman is projecting your own thoughts, etc onto someone else.
See what I mean?
I love this painting. I still tear up sometimes when watching documentaries about the civil rights struggle. I'm white. America is better because of the civil rights movement, and paintings like this one remind us of how our country is better than before. Not perfect, but better. That picture is an iconic representation of our nation's triumph over adversity as much as the painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. I cannot imagine that someone can view that painting and not feel sympathy for the little girl, but unfortunately there are still such people.
And why the hang-up on whether it's educational or not, or if there is a meaningful difference between something imparting education by its own right, versus something inspiring discussion which in turn is educational? If you know the history depicted in the painting, it can create reflection on those days, segregation, the Civil Rights movement, how it must have felt to be that girl (and countless other children), etc. If you don't know the history, you might ask and then learn something.
For those claiming that displaying the picture shows a preoccupation with discord or division, phooey. We must know our history. Do Germans hide The Diary of Anne Frank? In 2005, they opened a Holocaust Memorial in Berlin - was this bad for potentially sowing division between Jews and non-Jewish Germans?
Laughable that you put both of those statements in one post.
And I guess my point of view went over your head?
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Must I tow a certain train of thought to be black? Why would you even include that in your post if you had a problem with the fact that I am not your stereotypical black guy? Would you rather I be part of the flash mobs - does that fit within your societal viewpoint?
You did, by starting this thread. You saw this as a black and white issue, a racial issue. BTW, if not for your claim for being a black guy (realize that you may be trying a bit too hard to be different), who would have guessed much less use it as a part of the argument?
The question was, would you defend the opposition to it? Or, choose to stay silent if an opportunity were to present itself?
Depends how much free time I have that day... What exactly are you trying to say here? Because an opposition to the confederate flag is no less valid than this.
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Assuming you know other peoples education and thought processes when looking at the piece is where you go down the wrong path.
Are you not doing that? You think people will look at this and see the positive. I don't.
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To say the entire debate here is a strawman is projecting your own thoughts, etc onto someone else.
See what I mean?
No, I don't see what you mean. I have my opinion on how I think this will be perceived. As do you. The only strawman in this thread was the assertion that since some objected, they wanted to wipe out our history.
Depends how much free time I have that day... What exactly are you trying to say here? Because an opposition to the confederate flag is no less valid than this.
Let us hope you get a chance to show up and defend them. But as for validity, I'm not surprised why you couldn't differentiate the message between a painting and a symbol.
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