Politics in the workplace. (enemy, Giuliani, Obama, solutions)

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

Free speach (sic) is not threatening, slander, and does not incite violence. Adolph Hitler didn't like free speach (sic) either.

You realize that the first person that has to resort to invoking Hitler in a discussion automatically loses?

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Visvaldis

The First Amendment is for all Americans, everywhere.
The First Amendment is not something anyone should surrender whenever enteriing any place. If any employer fires employees for using the First Amendment rights, that employer is intolerant. There is no law, nor should there be one, against intolerance.
Maybe you think that employees belong to the business owner while they are on the clock. That sounds like feudalism from 14th Century Europe.

They can quit, unlike peasants....hence the difference that modern employment is a CONTRACT between two WILLING parties.

If I work for TGI Fridays and like to say how much I disapprove of George Bush and Hillary Clinton when I seat the guests....and the boss may certainly fire me.

Would it not violate the rights of the employer if he cannot terminate the contract of employment for whatever reason he chooses? If so, you appear to want to restrict the rights of the employer but not the employee.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by citigirl

Good grief. So you think an employee that is hired to work for the employer to do a job for the employer can dictate how they spend their time? No wonder businesses want foreign labor.....Come to think of it, that's one of the reasons we moved our business out of California. Pure fear of the type of employee we would end up with.

Brilliant post, citigirl !! You've said it...this is EXACTLY one of the many reasons businesses want foreign labor---I've often said it another way, "I'd absolutely HATE to find myself in charge of a crew of 20-year old Americans". Guess that's saying the same thing.....

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Brilliant post, citigirl !! You've said it...this is EXACTLY one of the many reasons businesses want foreign labor---I've often said it another way, "I'd absolutely HATE to find myself in charge of a crew of 20-year old Americans". Guess that's saying the same thing.....

I know! It is amazing the gull! to think you accept a position with an employer and then tell the business owner how he is going to run his business after he has put in his skills, his money, his time, and his effort to build a business and then have some punk come in a dictate to him "how it's going to be!

Makes you want to break out the belt and give someone a good wakin’ up!

[Willys]

I agree. No politics. No religion. But I'd like to add, no sports. There's more time wasted by armchair q'backs in the work place than there ever was by politics, religion and sexual harrassment, all put together.

[SDBreaux]

Originally Posted by crashcop

It is a part of America, and the First Admendment.

Yes, but we're talking about a private business here. They have the right to censor their employees to keep a productive work environment. I used to work for a company where politics was descreetly discussed. Everyone was a Democrat in this Christian non-profit organization, including myself. However, it got to the point where people were looked down upon and treated differently because of opposing political views. The work environment pretty much became less productive and, needless to say, I'm glad I did not renew my contract.

[rd2007]

wow, some people think some pretty crazy stuff.. last I heard an employer can bend the Constitution all over the place when it comes to what they want you to say.. within limits of course, but THEY'RE paying YOU..

Personally, we talk politics all the time, but it's encouraged by our boss and we really have nothing else to do.. Most of us are retired military and a little bit right and he's a lefty. Our discussions are usually civil, but can get heated at times and both sides learn new things. Best part is the formerly apolitical people are more into it now and I personally think that's a good thing. An informed voter is the only kind of voter I like to see..

BTW, can't an employer technically make a no talking allowed rule? I'm sure there would have to be a safety exception, but other than that I think they can restrict anything they want.

[TXboomerang]

You get paid to do what you are told. If you are not happy with what you are being told, stop doing what you are told and stop collecting a paycheck. Plain and VERY simple.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by citigirl

I know! It is amazing the gull! to think you accept a position with an employer and then tell the business owner how he is going to run his business after he has put in his skills, his money, his time, and his effort to build a business and then have some punk come in a dictate to him "how it's going to be!

Makes you want to break out the belt and give someone a good wakin’ up!

Very accurate citigirl. Actually, not only does it apply to business but also to Federal Govt work too:

Hatch Act for Federal Employees

[rd2007]

I would love to see some of these people working on a military base, especially in a secure environment...

the lack of constitutional rights would kill them... you are told what you can and can't say, they can search you at any time, you can't have a gun, and the list just goes on.