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Old 08-31-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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There are only 2 acceptable forms of government in the Arab world: military dictatorship or absolute monarchy. Sorry folks, but some people can't handle governing themselves.

Did anyone really think this was going to lead to democracy? All these "democracy movements" are merely attempts by the radical Muslims to spread their agenda in disguise like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Since Lockerbie, Gadaffi had been contained ... he couldent harm anyone other than his own people. Now we don't even know who or what is going to replace him! We could end up with Islamic fundamentalist states in both Egypt and Libya. Wouldent that be just grand?

And that's the truth....

Did anyone think this would all work out for freedom and equality? Yep...


Investing in the Arab Spring - YouTube



Perspectives on Revolution: The Arab Spring & Beyond - YouTube

I hope this girl in this video remembers this stupid video, when they slap that burqua on her and take her out of school.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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So I guess the posters on here would prefer the US pumps billions more dollars to prop up more corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorships that just end up just spreading more anti-American sentiment as well as stabbing us in the back in the end run. All those billions to Egypt and what did we really get for our years of checkbook diplomacy...

The Muslim Brotherhood hasn't even won any positions in the Egyptian goverment yet, the elections haven't even been held yet, and already people on here are already treating every whackjob spokesman for every random Islamcist group who issues a statement as a official representative of the Egyptian government. The situation is troubling in many ways, but it's not a foregone conclusion that the Muslim Brotherhood will control the country.

I really don't want to get into a debate about anything regarding Muslims on here, since it's imposible to have any sort of objective discussion beyond "All Muslims are evil" with a lot of posters on here. As far as the prospects for democracy, the chances for success are pretty low, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people in the region who aren't extremists who do want reforms and want changes to succeed. To simply say, "Those people can't handle democracy," is ignorant. There was no history of successful democratic republics in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia or Central America until recently, but after some political mishaps and division, things have slowly changed. That being said if it's turns out the majority of the population want Islamic law and have the voting numbers to enact it, there's little a nation can do to prevent that in the long run. No dictatorship lasts forever.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I can't imagine anyone thinking the so-called "Arab Spring" would lead to anything other than violence, Sharia, and repression.

But then many did.
Many will believe anything Barack Obama says and he did talk a lot about the Arab Spring as if it were a good thing.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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There are only 2 acceptable forms of government in the Arab world: military dictatorship or absolute monarchy. Sorry folks, but some people can't handle governing themselves.

Did anyone really think this was going to lead to democracy? All these "democracy movements" are merely attempts by the radical Muslims to spread their agenda in disguise like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Since Lockerbie, Gadaffi had been contained ... he couldent harm anyone other than his own people. Now we don't even know who or what is going to replace him! We could end up with Islamic fundamentalist states in both Egypt and Libya. Wouldent that be just grand?
Not so grand and not what Obama has talked about, at all. Maybe it is time to check out his real feelings toward Arabic Muslims.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And that's the truth....

Did anyone think this would all work out for freedom and equality? Yep...


Investing in the Arab Spring - YouTube



Perspectives on Revolution: The Arab Spring & Beyond - YouTube

I hope this girl in this video remembers this stupid video, when they slap that burqua on her and take her out of school.
When I used to listen to the VOA back in the late 50s the progressives hadn't yet come into the control they are in now. I haven't heard them in a long time but I bet that woman reading that message leans way left of what the VOA was back when I listened to them. Of course, most of the reason we listened to them back then was being in Germany and not having anything else, in English, to listen to that wasn't pretty biased from coming from a military situation.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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So I guess the posters on here would prefer the US pumps billions more dollars to prop up more corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorships that just end up just spreading more anti-American sentiment as well as stabbing us in the back in the end run. All those billions to Egypt and what did we really get for our years of checkbook diplomacy...

The Muslim Brotherhood hasn't even won any positions in the Egyptian goverment yet, the elections haven't even been held yet, and already people on here are already treating every whackjob spokesman for every random Islamcist group who issues a statement as a official representative of the Egyptian government. The situation is troubling in many ways, but it's not a foregone conclusion that the Muslim Brotherhood will control the country.

I really don't want to get into a debate about anything regarding Muslims on here, since it's imposible to have any sort of objective discussion beyond "All Muslims are evil" with a lot of posters on here. As far as the prospects for democracy, the chances for success are pretty low, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people in the region who aren't extremists who do want reforms and want changes to succeed. To simply say, "Those people can't handle democracy," is ignorant. There was no history of successful democratic republics in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia or Central America until recently, but after some political mishaps and division, things have slowly changed. That being said if it's turns out the majority of the population want Islamic law and have the voting numbers to enact it, there's little a nation can do to prevent that in the long run. No dictatorship lasts forever.

Yes....because it ain't looking good right now!! Matter of fact, when Sharia kicks in....AND IT WILL. We will never have a country over there we can work with!!

Hey....look at another by-product of Arab Spring....

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Islamic militants among prisoners freed from Libyan jail - CNN.com



Islamic militants among prisoners freed from Libyan jail
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Hundreds of Islamist militants were among the prisoners freed from a notorious Tripoli prison this week, according to a former Libyan jihadist.
The freed militants had been imprisoned in Tripoli's Abu Salim prison by Moammar Gadhafi's regime during the height of the insurgency in Iraq, according to Noman Benotman, once a senior figure in the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. Benotman said he believes as many as 600 militants may have been among the prison population at Abu Salim.

U.S. And NATO Funded Libyan Rebels Free Al Qaeda Prisoners As Americans Continue To Lose Freedoms Over Same (http://news-now.org/2011/08/u-s-nato-funded-libyan-rebels-free-al-qaeda-prisoners-americans-continue-lose-freedoms-%E2%80%98terrorists%E2%80%99/ - broken link)
THEY WERE AL QUEADA!!!!!!!!! 600 TERRORISTS WERE SET FREE BECAUSE THEY HANDLE DEMOCRACY SO WELL!
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Irans fleet????? lmao fleet
Better not go too far they'll run out of gas and float away.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: In Your Head
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So I guess the posters on here would prefer the US pumps billions more dollars to prop up more corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorships that just end up just spreading more anti-American sentiment as well as stabbing us in the back in the end run. All those billions to Egypt and what did we really get for our years of checkbook diplomacy...

We would prefer that the US government stop pumping billions of dollars into corrupt Israel, which is the cause of anti-American sentiment in the Middle East. Israel stabs us in the back by stealing our technology and selling it to the Chinese.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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Yes....because it ain't looking good right now!! Matter of fact, when Sharia kicks in....AND IT WILL. We will never have a country over there we can work with!!

Hey....look at another by-product of Arab Spring....


THEY WERE AL QUEADA!!!!!!!!! 600 TERRORISTS WERE SET FREE BECAUSE THEY HANDLE DEMOCRACY SO WELL!
So are you talking about Egypt or Libya now?

There's no functionïng government in Libya right now and the country is basically in a state of anarchy, so "THEY HANDLE DEMOCRACY SO WELL!" isn't really an accurate statement when democracy hasn't been established yet.

Back to your original post... Yeah Egypt is sending troops to the Israel border region---with Israel's approval, as is allowed under the Camp David accords.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...sinai-1.380802
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Old 08-31-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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So I guess the posters on here would prefer the US pumps billions more dollars to prop up more corrupt Middle Eastern dictatorships that just end up just spreading more anti-American sentiment as well as stabbing us in the back in the end run. All those billions to Egypt and what did we really get for our years of checkbook diplomacy...

The Muslim Brotherhood hasn't even won any positions in the Egyptian goverment yet, the elections haven't even been held yet, and already people on here are already treating every whackjob spokesman for every random Islamcist group who issues a statement as a official representative of the Egyptian government. The situation is troubling in many ways, but it's not a foregone conclusion that the Muslim Brotherhood will control the country.

I really don't want to get into a debate about anything regarding Muslims on here, since it's imposible to have any sort of objective discussion beyond "All Muslims are evil" with a lot of posters on here. As far as the prospects for democracy, the chances for success are pretty low, but it doesn't mean that there aren't people in the region who aren't extremists who do want reforms and want changes to succeed. To simply say, "Those people can't handle democracy," is ignorant. There was no history of successful democratic republics in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia or Central America until recently, but after some political mishaps and division, things have slowly changed. That being said if it's turns out the majority of the population want Islamic law and have the voting numbers to enact it, there's little a nation can do to prevent that in the long run. No dictatorship lasts forever.
Very near sighted post. They will hate us more and do more harm when they are a full blown theocracy. I also see you haven't awaken to what really happened over there and how much Obama and his minions helped the MB achieve the postition they are in right now to take over Egypt....then Libya.....then Syria.......then??? Take a look a this in Egypt:

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