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What is a problem is if people of equal ability have been denied entry to a job or promotion because of race.
That's all that should matter. I definitely do NOT support giving job priorities to those that are not as qualified as others just because of their race, sex or ethnicity
Irish American men are mostly employed in those jobs and they have the connections and network to ensure that it remains that way...
Connection and network? Its a civil service job. You take a written test. If you pass you take the physical. If you pass that you take the psychological. Then you go to the academy. There are no connections or networks needed.
Competition for these fire fighting jobs is to the point where you need to score a 100 and above on both the written and physical part of it to even make the list. People get 5 points extra if they were military, extra points for college degrees, and I believe 10 extra points if you are kin of a deceased member of the FD or PD. The city is or has (Im not sure) tried to add an extra 5 points if you graduated with a HS Diploma from one of the 5 boroughs. Which will help minorities. Then you run into situations where people just give up after a certain period of time waiting.
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John Coombs, the president of the Vulcan Society, said recent recruiting efforts have seen more minority applicants applying to the FDNY than at any point in recent memory, some 19,000 to 20,000 of them, which represents upward of 21 percent of the entire applicant pool. Of the 4,414 applicants who have not completed the application process, more than 2,000 of them are black.
The written tests are also usually always involved in racial discrimination lawsuits. The below question was one of the ones they determined were biased against non whites.
Q: When operating in a building which uses a standpipe system, it is necessary for a firefighter to maintain adequate pressure at the nozzle of the firefighting stream. The correct nozzle pressure is calculated by adding an additional 5 psi (pound per square inch) for each length of hose that is being used, to a constant starting base of 50 psi.
A firefighting team is operating in a building with a standpipe system and is in the process of using 4 lengths of hose. The correct nozzle pressure that needs to be applied in this situation is: A) 50 psi, B) 60 psi, C) 70 psi, D) 80 psi.
These tests can be held up in court for years after taking it. For someone with a college degree it may not be so bad. They can get another job and wait it out. For those without a degree 5yrs is a long time waiting for a job. Then you always run the risk of the whole test being thrown out. Such as test 6019. Now people have to start all over again.
You do not need a network or connection, just a written test that is deemed fair by all parties taking it. And someway to speed up the hiring process to stop the attrition. My 2cents..
Connection and network? Its a civil service job. You take a written test. If you pass you take the physical. If you pass that you take the psychological. Then you go to the academy. There are no connections or networks needed.
Competition for these fire fighting jobs is to the point where you need to score a 100 and above on both the written and physical part of it to even make the list. People get 5 points extra if they were military, extra points for college degrees, and I believe 10 extra points if you are kin of a deceased member of the FD or PD. The city is or has (Im not sure) tried to add an extra 5 points if you graduated with a HS Diploma from one of the 5 boroughs. Which will help minorities.
The written tests are also usually always involved in racial discrimination lawsuits. The below question was one of the ones they determined were biased against non whites.
Q: When operating in a building which uses a standpipe system, it is necessary for a firefighter to maintain adequate pressure at the nozzle of the firefighting stream. The correct nozzle pressure is calculated by adding an additional 5 psi (pound per square inch) for each length of hose that is being used, to a constant starting base of 50 psi.
A firefighting team is operating in a building with a standpipe system and is in the process of using 4 lengths of hose. The correct nozzle pressure that needs to be applied in this situation is: A) 50 psi, B) 60 psi, C) 70 psi, D) 80 psi.
These tests can be held up in court for years after taking it. For someone with a college degree it may not be so bad. They can get another job and wait it out. For those without a degree 5yrs is a long time waiting for a job. Then you always run the risk of the whole test being thrown out. Such as test 6019. Now people have to start all over again.
You do not need a network or connection, just a written test that is deemed fair by all parties taking it. And someway to speed up the hiring process to stop the attrition. My 2cents..
Yup it's a civil service process but there is a certain intrinsic advantage when let's say your father was a firemen and you knew the hiring process front to back compared to someone who is starting at square one. Also if Bill over at the academy knows your dad and thinks he's swell guy and a heck of a fireman maybe he'll give you an easier time in the academy.
Yup it's a civil service process but there is a certain intrinsic advantage when let's say your father was a firemen and you knew the hiring process front to back compared to someone who is starting at square one. Also if Bill over at the academy knows your dad and thinks he's swell guy and a heck of a fireman maybe he'll give you an easier time in the academy.
Lol yo fer real. All da whites in hear tryin ta front like dey pasty ass peoples ain't handin these jobs to any whites who want dem. at da same time all da blacks is bein skipped ovah smh yo yall dont even kno wus up
Remember the city recently entered into a big settlement about this. But it is totally unclear to me how the settlement is supposed to work or what it substantively does.
Yup it's a civil service process but there is a certain intrinsic advantage when let's say your father was a firemen and you knew the hiring process front to back compared to someone who is starting at square one. Also if Bill over at the academy knows your dad and thinks he's swell guy and a heck of a fireman maybe he'll give you an easier time in the academy.
Yea I'm sure it goes down like that, guys who's lives literally depend on the knowledge of their comrades get a pass at knot tying 101.
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