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How can conservatives be against abortion as a practical matter?
The vast majority of abortions occur from individuals who can't afford kids.
This is not a valid reason for ending the life of another human being. Using that kind of logic, why shouldn't they be allowed to kill any of their offspring for whom they are still providing support if they fall on hard times?
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Taking away the ability for these people to secure abortions means more people on welfare.
Are you a Margaret Sanger fan?
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The same people against abortion are usually against most forms of welfare.
And you know this because ... ??? I'm not following that logic.
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So what should these people do, aside from not having kids (which we all know abstinence education doesn't work)?
"We all know ... "? Do we? Abstinence does work. Other forms of birth control are also effective, so what's the problem?
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Plus, the most conservative states have the highest rates of unwed pregnancies (doesn't necessary mean most unwanted), the most poverty, and the most welfare.
According to ... ??? Can you provide any proof or evidence for this claim?
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When you stop supporting the basic needs of individuals (food, clothes, shelter), people will become desperate and start rioting (see Middle East).
Give me a break. You are supposed to be providing those things for yourself. It isn't up to me to provide for you, nor is it the job of the government (which is me, and all other taxpayers).
nowincal11 wrote:
" The same people against abortion are usually against most forms of welfare."
And you know this because ... ??? I'm not following that logic.
Give me a break. You are supposed to be providing those things for yourself. It isn't up to me to provide for you, nor is it the job of the government (which is me, and all other taxpayers).
LOL......didn't you just prove the point nowincal11 was making?
I guess they don't think killing children is a good way to reduce welfare, and so they look for other policy alternatives.
Up to a certain time during pregnancy the cells have not specialised and are just non specific cells. Until the cells become specific it is not a life. In fact the cells are less a life than your toe nails.
Having an abortion during that period is NOT taking a life.
I'm not a true Conservative per se. I prefer the term "Political Agnostic" as I do not believe that there is any political party out there that doesn't completely suck. But on the abortion issue I do agree with them.
1.) If you can't afford to have kids, then there's a pretty long line of people waiting and hoping for a child to adopt. Why is it so hard to go that route instead of killing the unborn child? I have a great friend who was adopted. Her mother was a nutcase and mistreated her, her whole life as well as her other "sister". My own son was given up for adoption as I was unable to care for him. His adoptive mother was hideous, and just thought she wanted a baby. She wouldn't even look his direction the whole time he sat by her deathbed in the weeks before she finally died. She wouldn't even look at him. Adoption IS NOT everything its cracked up to be. Just like with shelter dogs, some people love them after they are adopted, others torture, neglect, starve and abuse them, it also happens to children.
2.) For crapsakes, use a little birth control! If you don't want to be pregnant, having unprotected sex is counter-intuitive. If you want the US government to provide the pill and condoms free of charge, I say let's do it!From you lips to your congressional representatives ears! Now, tell your congressman thats what you expect....or just be hypocritcal and let them vote against funding for birth control.
3.) At the end of the day, you're killing an unborn human baby. You're ending a life. You're not giving that unborn child a choice in the matter. Most abortions are first tri-mester when they are "simply choice", 2nd and certainly 3rd tri-s are with doctors information and are done with lots of thought and lots of tears. But its no ones business but the woman having the abortion. It doesn't matter you believe it should be born regardless of the consequences....unless you are the one carrying that fetus, or baby (depending on your thoughts).
4.) Even at it's most simple in the first few weeks after conception, any sane scientist would consider a human fetus alive. Its okay you believe that, but just as many do not. The difference is, its only the pregnant womans belief that matters. The circumstances surrounding the pregnancy is beyond our questioning her judgement.
5.) If bacteria, amoebas, tapeworms and fungi are all life forms, then only a scientist with an axe to grind, an agenda to meet and money to make is going to say the human fetus isn't alive.again, your choice to belivee what you believe. Leave the rest of us alone. Not your business.
6.) By liberalyou don't need to be a liberal to be pro-choice, just as many conservatives (including all the tea party nuts in my neighborhood in right wing texas....belives their representative should not be involved in this issue) use of fuzzy math and fuzzy logic, Liberals have managed to convince themselves that the unborn human has not rights whatsoever.Not a liberal issue.
7.) Call it a parasite, a mindless lifeless blob of cells, or call it whatever you like. The fetus is alive and it is a life form. So what species it it?Its a fetus of human species. No one is arguing that. It is still parasitic and mindless blob of cells until those cells develop into functioning baby.
8.) 1000 out of 1000 human fetuses turn out to be humans when given the opportunity of survive and be born.SO WHAT?
9.) So the fetus species = Homo Sapien. Human. Humans have rights.Once it becomes a human being capable of having rights.
10.) Who on earth has any right to say that any other human being has no right to live? That is the most indispensible right of humankind.What human being has the right to decide someone MUST BE BORN regardless of the hideous circumstances of that birth, or of the life it will lead once it has been born. Shame on you! Shame on anyone else being so arrogant.
11.) "Unborn baby" and "fetus" are one and the same thing, but in order to make themselves feel better about their stand in favor of abortion, pro-choice folks will insist that everyone call the unborn human baby a fetus. It's a nice scientific sounding name that does not trigger an emotional response. Apparently that makes it easier for them to support abortion.
12.) Why do they need to hide behind less emotionally charged words in order to feel better? Is it guilt? Is it stubborn determination to refuse to acknowledge the obvious truth -- that an unborn human being is still a human being?those of us that are pro choice DO NOT hide behind verbage. The fetus is a fetus, until its grown enough to become a fully functioning baby, capable of life outside the womb. That why we use the term. Its the scientific term and the correct term. Why do those who insist on babies being brought to delivery regardless of the circumstances refuse to acknowledge the obvious truth....that no OTHER human being is allowed to impose their will on any OTHER human being!
Now what do you do with the unborn babies that you save from being killed? Well, make it MUCH easier to adopt. If I didn't have a $30,000 price tag to look forward to, I promise you I'd adopt just as many of those babies as I could afford to support. Well goodie for you. But the foster care system is FULL of children of all colors and no one IS adopting them....so that makes you.....or someone.....liars! Black, white, yellow, red, brown? Couldn't care less. I love my children and I love all children out there. My wife and I went 10 years of marriage without being able to have them and you better believe we'd have taken your unwanted baby off of your hands, but unfortunately you aborted it. even with spina bifada? Even with water on the brain (that my cousin who lived in a crib in an institution for 7 years, before a space heater fell on him and killed him). Until there is a greater supply of babies than there demand, auto-abort doesn't make any economic sense at all. Just because you would be inconvenienced or financially stretched beyond your means, doesn't mean killing it is the logical choice. There are other people out there who will raise and love that child.SIMPLY NOT TRUE! there isn't people to raise and love every child, it simply ISN'T true!!!!! When there is a shortage of such persons, then and only then does the conversation change.
Here's a thought: Increase the birth rate and save the future of Social Security, Medicare, etc. It's the right thing to do!
Reduce pregnancies and save the future! There are WAY WAY WAY too many people on the planet now.
I don't know about the OP's theory but here is even a better one.
Obama is a champion of abortion rights and PP but it decimates the black community more than any other. So why is Obama, a black man, so in favor of it?
Obama doesn't believe in abortion personally, but as President of these United States he is required to uphold the law.
Obama may not believe in abortion for himself.....if he were a woman and faced that decision........but he does believe that women should have choice. He is just not upholding the law....he believes in the law.
To me its no different than killig any child to me except yu don;t have to see the vixctim. But in mnay cases they victim can easily be seen as a human.I see no difference than what germans did which seemd loical to them to egt rid of a probelm as they saw it.
Obama may not believe in abortion for himself.....if he were a woman and faced that decision........but he does believe that women should have choice. He is just not upholding the law....he believes in the law.
He doesn't have to believe in abortion but he believes in the law and is required as Prez to uphold the law.
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