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Old 09-04-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Unfortunately going to war for a country like this makes no sense to me anymore...

What happened?

Only in a mainland based militia.

Not to be sent to fight for world domination.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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You don't speak for me. Six years in USMC, Vietnam Vet. buttercup.
I find it hard to believe that you're a Viet Nam Veteran and a liberal. One would think that you'd like to distance yourself from the stench of liberalism after how they treated you and your colleagues during that war.

And now you side with them? I don't think it is I that should be referred to as "buttercup."
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Vietnam Veterans Against the War
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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I'd never sell out to become a pawn for government interests and feel sorry for those who do.
Our federal government is not "America". That's propaganda the state brainwashes you with in public/government school.

WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,Kuwait,Iraq and Afghanistan were all avoidable and tragic wastes of humanity and resources.

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Old 09-04-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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Only in a mainland based militia.

Not to be sent to fight for world domination.
On a very serious note - I have a relative who did tours of duty in
Iraq/Afghanistan....His exact words:
"I'll never take another bullet, for this country"

That's why, we as a nation, really need to pick our battles
wisely, and infrequently.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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[quote=Frank DeForrest;20738387]I'd never sell out to become a pawn for government interests and feel sorry for those who do.
Our federal government is not "America". That's propaganda the state brainwashes you with in public/government school.

If Japan and Germany had both won a flawless victory, then in most likelihood:


Europe:
Germany would have created several puppet states similar to how the Soviets did. Those already established: Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, would become the staple allies of Germany. New puppet governments would include those in Greece, Principality of the Pindus (which was attempted by taking portions from Greece and Bulgaria), Albania, and states formed from a separated Yugoslavia: Serbia, Croatia, and Montenegro.

Norway likely would have been released from total German control as a puppet state, and occupied France and the French colonies would be given to the Vichy regime, with near supreme German influence in government. Spain and Portugal would be forced into a strong trading alliance and then military and diplomatic alliance with Germany. Poland would remain as part of Germany, most likely, as would Austria, the Czech Rep, and the various other nations absorbed by Germany not already covered. Their colonies would either declare independence, hand over their administration to Germany/Japan, or allow for installation of puppet governments. The Germans would have pushed as far as Moscow into the USSR, and as far down into the Caucuses as to the border with Turkey. The Karelia and Murmansk regions of the Soviet Union would be governed or absorbed into Finland. The land Germany would take in the USSR would be absorbed into Germany. It is likely that some of the Soviet Republics would receive independence as puppet states. The USSR would possibly dissolve, or possibly hold as a much weakened state. Either way, communism would into spread nor would it become a major concern. It would likely die out as a ruling ideology.

Asia:
In Asia, the majority of China, if not all, would be absorbed and occupied by Japan. Tibet and Manchuria (under the state of Manchuko) would be given independence as puppet states, and a Japanese puppet state would exist as the Republic of China-Nanjing along the eastern border of the Chinese mainland and alongside the borders of Manchuko. India would declare Independence under the violent Bose regime and ally itself with Japan. Nepal and Bhutan would ally themselves in turn with India. Burma, Siam (Thailand), Mongolia, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos would each become puppet states. Indonesia, Malaysia, Guinea, and the various other island nations would be absorbed as part of Japan. Due to the military-based independence movement and the post-independence authoritarian/fascist state of India, it is unlikely that Pakistan would be separated from India.

United States, the UK:
War would likely never come to the then forty-eight United States. The UK would likely fall to fascist influence, but it is unlikely that it would join a defense alliance with the German-fascist forces in Europe due to indifference by Germany and distaste by the UK populace. The US, having lost the war with Japan, would likely lose all Pacific island territories, including the territory of Hawaii, and would likely surrender to Japan and Germany and remain independent. Diplomatic relations with Germany and Japan would eventually be open and friendly. It may be possible that the US would ally with the other Allies not overtaken by the Axis- Canada, Australia, South Africa, etc, and possibly even with the former colonies of the UK- Jamaica, Bermuda, the Bahamas, etc. It may even be possible that the US might side with Japan or Germany in a "cold war".

Africa:
All colonies of Allied nations would be turn over to German or Italian control, with France, Portugal, and Spain holding control of their colonies. However, since a lot of territory with numerous peoples (some of whom have a "fight for their own way of life" mentiality when threatened) is involved, independence movements would crop up before long. Numerous parts of Africa would probably wind up independent from either Germany or Italy. America and Japan might be tempted to take over African lands.

Superpowers:
Germany would likely produce an Atomic bomb within a year (as would America, although the peace treaty might require it to give it up). Japan would probably get the bomb some years after that (perhaps through negotiations with Germany). Due to not having the differences in ideology found in the USSR and US, the two world super powers- Germany and Japan, would likely not go into a major conflict with each other for many years, if at all. (However, their ideologies - Nazism and "hakko ichiu" - were both home-grown and ethnically oriented, and thus a "cold war" might have developed entirely on ethnic grounds, over whether the Japanese traditions or the German traditions were better approaches for the world to follow.)

Japan:
Japan would industrialize its mainlands, creating overcrowding, a large spike in population growth, and a highly industrial yet luxurious lifestyle for the mainlanders, with their puppet states and colonies receiving a comfortable amount of resources, aid, and industrialization, but mainly all under a fascist and controlling Japanese grip that would allow for limited independence and heavy Japanese influence in military, trade, and cultural aspects. Imperial Japanese culture would dominate Asia, with large amounts of the populace subscribing to the teaching of the Reich.

Germany:
Germany would do the opposite in terms of population- the Jewish population would likely all be wiped out, with very little escaping to central America, Portugal, Spain, north America and the UK. Slavs and other 'undesirables' would be re educated and Germanized. The cultures of eastern Europe would likely revolt, but would be put down quickly by the powerful pro-German governments. The massive amounts of people removed, exported, or killed in German territory would lower the population to a comfortable amount. Germany would see a spike in research and development, and likely would create things that we would not think of in our society that would shape the world. German cities would be very culture and state-based. Likely, Germany would see the development of massive monuments, buildings, and other marvels that would leave the cities and economies of the absorbed territory and puppet states in ruins. After the death of Hitler, the German government would likely relax its hold on its allies and colonies, as well as its militarization and distaste for non-Aryans and non-Germans

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_if_th...#ixzz1X0WJqLUA

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Old 09-04-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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here is how we would be like if of lost WW2

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Old 09-04-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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Do you know why the Canadian forces had no problem finding volunteers or that U.N. or NATO did not even have to ask if we were going to send troops to afghanistan...

You see their are many reasons to go to war when 9/11 happend it was because you do what ever you can to help when friend, neighbor and long time ally gets attacked you help them anyway you can.

I am proud of my country and the US we share the same values of Democracy and Freedom and honor which is what people died to defend in WW1, WW2 and Korea..You do know most military personal go to get a college or skilled trade..also all Canadian and american forces need to have a HS Diploma and also take their (ASWB) and if you do not study and get a higher score you will not get in..the military picks the people with the best score first..Also conscripted troops tend to not be as effective and make it even harder on the other troops.

I believe many canadians served in vietnam also........
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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You don't speak for me. Six years in USMC, Vietnam Vet. buttercup.

Just wondering..........good friend of mine was 2/4 marine......I believe in 67-68...........a "magnificent bastard"........you hear of em?
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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Pat Tillman did not die for his country, no wait you are right, corporations are people so I guess he died for his country

You are assuming that your feelings are Pat Tillman's. Pat Tillman would STILL probably say he died for his country.
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