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Old 09-03-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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Correct, not to mention they would have needed unanimous support that would have been nearly impossible to pull off.
This is another thing the right wingers don't understand is that the democrats have a wide variety of individuals that range from fairly liberal, to basically full blown republicans and everything inbetween. The democrats are not in complete unison like the right where McConnel cracks the whip and everyone votes to the far right.
The Republicans say they are a big tent party. We actually are. Agreed.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The Class AAA Blame Artist has blamed everyone and everything under the sun for our fiscal morass. But nothing stands out more than his extreme dislike for wealthy Americans and their perceived lack of contribution via taxes.

So why didn't Obama and Democrats remedy this Achilles Heel while they had a Super-Majority? Why would he wait to put so much emphasis on a singular tax policy when he's politically impotent?

Is this guy stupid or what?
He has never seemed to be interested in sitting at his desk in the White House and took too many trips the first two years to do much work and he was also busy entertaining Hollywood. LOL. But you are right, he had those two years with all the power needed to get things done that serves his base
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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LOL! Your Worship of the Wealthy training is complete...you used a quote from EXXON to prove EXXON is ..blah, blah blah...LOL

Yes, Virginia, corporate mouthpieces NEVER lie...

Reminds me of how some Repugs want to have corporations do their own environmental studies..LOLOLOL!!!
It is in their corporate statements.

Do they lie? I don't think so that would be tax evasion for which many in Exxon-Mobil would go to prison. That they won't do.

Accounting tricks? Nearly impossible, at all companies the size of Exxon the IRS has accountants assigned to Exxon. These IRS employees actually work in offices, these are provided by Exxon, at Exxon's corporate offices. All they do is constantly review Exxon's profits for tax liability which they collect on a daily basis.

At one US oil company there were half a dozen IRS employees that never left.

Of course there are "accounting tricks" if you include deducting taxes paid in a foreign country where business is done which is most of the "accounting tricks" you hear about originate.

Without these "accounting tricks" by the time international, national, state and local tax entities got done with them they end up with a negative profit.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Here's the secret that Democrats do not want to acknowledge: they did not have the votes in their own Senate caucus to raise taxes. Some Members hail from Republican states and desire to be re-elected. A vote as you suggest would have been political suicide for half a dozen to a dozen Senators.
But the dems had the very best arm twisting, ankle biting demon at the helm with Nancy. She is notorious for digging up dirt and blackmailing dems to vote her way.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Because he couldn't get enough democrats to support it.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Correct, not to mention they would have needed unanimous support that would have been nearly impossible to pull off.
This is another thing the right wingers don't understand is that the democrats have a wide variety of individuals that range from fairly liberal, to basically full blown republicans and everything inbetween. The democrats are not in complete unison like the right where McConnel cracks the whip and everyone votes to the far right.
Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) is a right winger?

Really?
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Reagan never had a Republican Congress, yet he managed to get what he wanted in more or less complete form. The TEFRA spending cuts would be an exception.

Your poll numbers mean nothing since voters only vote for a president every four years, one Senator in two of three cycles and one Representative every two years. Just because they dislike members of Congress generally and members of a party doesn't mean they dislike their own Senators and Representative or will even vote for that matter. Democrats have always appealed to the lazy elements of society. Those people like to complain but then blow off voting.
Back then, in the 1980s, there was such a thing as the common good where Democrats and Republicans could come together for America. Today, the Republicans have no problem threatening to hurt America if its demands aren't met or, as Mitch McConnell said, the #1 goal is to beat Obama [even if the American people suffer.]
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:37 AM
 
Location: The Twilight Zone
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The Class AAA Blame Artist has blamed everyone and everything under the sun for our fiscal morass. But nothing stands out more than his extreme dislike for wealthy Americans and their perceived lack of contribution via taxes.

So why didn't Obama and Democrats remedy this Achilles Heel while they had a Super-Majority? Why would he wait to put so much emphasis on a singular tax policy when he's politically impotent?

Is this guy stupid or what?
Easy answer.

Because they do not really want to.

Raising taxes on the so called rich is nothing more than a class warfare talking point. If they actually did it, knowing it will not help the economy, they would instantly lose their main talking point used to make it look like republicans are for the the rich and against the poor.

Besides, they could have easily past it without the super majority. They could have used a simple majority for 2 years, like they did on other items.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) is a right winger?

Really?
That's a good person to bring up. Olympia Snowe was one of the only "real" republicans that would look at issues in a fair manor and would vote accordingly. This didn't last long after like I mentioned before McConnel started cracking the whip and now she and other sane republicans have shifted over to the GOP's far right or nothing stances.
Again tying in with the original question is that the democrats are not like the GOP that have their far right and that's it stances, the democrats are a wide variety of individuals that getting complete unison is extremely difficult.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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I'm an Obama supporter, but I agree you make a good point. That was a mistake and he should have pushed harder then for higher taxes on the rich.
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