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Old 09-06-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Why does the GOP attack programs that help the poor and attack unions that help the middle class, while at the same time push for policies that favor the rich or defend tax cuts for the rich?
Because the Republican Party exists to serve the interests of the rich at the expense of everyone else.

I would have thought that was obvious by now.

 
Old 01-25-2012, 09:14 PM
 
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why do liberals constantly play class warfare when they know that taxing the rich more wont help anyone except the rich? and why do the liberals constantly support the unions when the unions are only out for themselves?

obama once admitted that more taxation on the rich wont bring in any more revenue, and will cost jobs, and he said he didnt care because he wanted to punish the rich.

and how many times have the unions decided to go on strike because they were not getting exactly what they wanted, which put the worker out of work for a while, and when they finally got the contract they wanted, the company would turn around and lay people off because of the cost of the contract? it happens far more often than you think.

taxing the rich more doesnt help the middle class, it hurts them because in the end THE RICH DONT PAY TAXES if they can pass the cost on to others. lets say you raise taxes on a small business owner, lets say by 10%. what happens? the business owner has a few choices;

1: they can raise prices

2: they can lay people off

3: they can cut portions

4: they can speed up the assembly lines

5: they can doa combination of all of the above

so lets look at these shall we? if the business owner raises prices, who pays? thats right the customer pays. and that doesnt help anyone now does it?

if the business owner lays people off, what happens? more unemployment, and who is that good for? thats right no one.
if the business cuts portion size, what happens? yes thats right, the people get LESS for their money. who does that help? again thats right no one.

if the business owner speeds up the assembly lines, what happens? thats right the employees have to work harder to keep up. who does that help? again NO ONE.

if we keep tax rates low on everyone, and reduce the amount of excessive regulations on business, what happens? prices tend to stay lower, and we get more for our money.

so tell me, why are you still in the "lets raise taxes on the rich" camp?
You watch too much Faux News brah! Obama has NEVER stated that. I don't watch talking heads either. I watch history. And, history has shown that lowering taxes on the rich and on LARGE business DOES NOT WORK!! America prosperity came at times when the wealthiest paid more. PERIOD. DO some research before you post such an arrogant question such as "why are you still in the "lets raise taxes on the rich" camp". Your thinly backed theory that businesses will give us more for the money when taxes are low is ridiculous at best!

Taxes for businesses are the lowest in ages. So where is the value? Better yet, where are the jobs these so called creators are supposed to develop when these taxes are low? Do we want to return to the levels under Saint Ronny and jack the deficit even farther through the roof?

Your boy W created a mess that will take years to mop up. And Obama cant even get traction with morons like Cantor **** Blocking every step of the way!

History has also proven that a "more free Market" with even less regulations and less taxes gave us the economic mess of the 80s and the economic mess of the 2000s. It cannot be argued no matter how hard you try. These corporations showed record profits and shoved a great deal of that profit into FAT bonuses for their top executives. All the while, they continued to ship jobs overseas. As well, companies like Halliburton and Enron robbed the American public blind! How? Because a regulatory environment allowed them to.

So why am I still in the raise taxes on the rich camp? Because economic theory is just that; theory. Your above stated theory made me do a spit take because its the same tripe spewed on fox news (which is a propaganda machine worthy of Goebbels). Reality has shown that they continually pocket the extra dough and do not create jobs nor do they make economic investments on any significant scale. They make financial investments which help no one but themselves.

The real job creators are you and me. However, when the wealth is shared so sparsely as it is now (wealth gap 5 times what is was when Reagan left office) we cannot spend and sales of good drop, sales of houses drop and the market contracts. The rich are just more greedy than they have been since Reagan afforded them a tax rate of 28% (lowest ever) while blowing up the military. Right now it is 35% (effective rates for the rich are actually half that) and The GOP is pushing for more. That is why the Occupy movements erupted! We are sick of fighting wars for the rich AND paying for it.

So there it is. A SH*T Load of science for you. These are all CBO figures (a source both parties use). Go study the wealth gaps over history and study tax rates on the wealthy when we were doing the best economically (early 1950s in case you didn't know). You'll see that you have no argument. Study the economic conditions in the late 1920s and compare to early 2000s. The parallels are sickeningly true.
 
Old 01-26-2012, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Why does the GOP attack programs that help the poor and attack unions that help the middle class, while at the same time push for policies that favor the rich or defend tax cuts for the rich?
Maybe they believe non-right-to-work states and unions actually hurt the (working) middle class by hindering job creation. I mean, look, jobs are coming online and have been in right-to-work Southern states dominated by business-friendly, business-courting Republican politics. The South is growing, the north is falling apart. Take a look at the foreign automakers that have been setting up shop in the South for years as an example. Adjust for cost of living and lack of union dues, and those jobs are paying the same as northern, unionized auto manufacturing jobs. And it's insourcing! So, you could say the unions (and Dems) are working against their own constituents and people are voting against their own economic interests by voting for Democrats and by being pro Union!
 
Old 01-26-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Why does the GOP attack programs that help the poor and attack unions that help the middle class, while at the same time push for policies that favor the rich or defend tax cuts for the rich?
Short answer; the gop isn't attacking the middle class they're attacking the funding of an overly large, overly intrusive, overly powerful central government. BTW unions are an arm of the democratic armythat is killing industries and creating huge public debt. That isn't actually "helping" the middle class. I hope this helps.
 
Old 01-26-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Maybe they believe non-right-to-work states and unions actually hurt the (working) middle class by hindering job creation. I mean, look, jobs are coming online and have been in right-to-work Southern states dominated by business-friendly, business-courting Republican politics. The South is growing, the north is falling apart. Take a look at the foreign automakers that have been setting up shop in the South for years as an example. Adjust for cost of living and lack of union dues, and those jobs are paying the same as northern, unionized auto manufacturing jobs. And it's insourcing! So, you could say the unions (and Dems) are working against their own constituents and people are voting against their own economic interests by voting for Democrats and by being pro Union!
You forgot to mention that liberal paradise california that is crumbling under it's public sector debt even as we speak.
 
Old 01-26-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You forgot to mention that liberal paradise california that is crumbling under it's public sector debt even as we speak.
Hush now..don't talk about the outcome of liberal policies.
Very little MSM coverage on how CA social programs are cutting benefits in their entitlement programs but much press on how they will now make student loans available to illegals.
 
Old 01-26-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Because the Republican Party exists to serve the interests of the rich at the expense of everyone else.

I would have thought that was obvious by now.
No, that would be the democratic party. Obama has more wall street money than god.....and all the other republican candidates combined. If you had been paying attention for the last three years you'd already know this.


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Old 01-26-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You watch too much Faux News brah! Obama has NEVER stated that. I don't watch talking heads either. I watch history. And, history has shown that lowering taxes on the rich and on LARGE business DOES NOT WORK!! America prosperity came at times when the wealthiest paid more. PERIOD. DO some research before you post such an arrogant question such as "why are you still in the "lets raise taxes on the rich" camp". Your thinly backed theory that businesses will give us more for the money when taxes are low is ridiculous at best!
How do you know how much MSNBC (faux news) he watches?

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Your boy W created a mess that will take years to mop up. And Obama cant even get traction with morons like Cantor **** Blocking every step of the way!
Explain how Bush created the mess.

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So why am I still in the raise taxes on the rich camp? Because economic theory is just that; theory. Your above stated theory made me do a spit take because its the same tripe spewed on fox news (which is a propaganda machine worthy of Goebbels). Reality has shown that they continually pocket the extra dough and do not create jobs nor do they make economic investments on any significant scale. They make financial investments which help no one but themselves
The top 1% of wage earners pay 38.1% of the income tax the government collects.

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The real job creators are you and me. However, when the wealth is shared so sparsely as it is now (wealth gap 5 times what is was when Reagan left office) we cannot spend and sales of good drop, sales of houses drop and the market contracts. The rich are just more greedy than they have been since Reagan afforded them a tax rate of 28% (lowest ever) while blowing up the military. Right now it is 35% (effective rates for the rich are actually half that) and The GOP is pushing for more. That is why the Occupy movements erupted! We are sick of fighting wars for the rich AND paying for it.
The wealthy were paying more in taxes, by percent, by the end of the Reagan years than they were by the end of the Carter years. Also, government revenue almost doubled under Reagan.

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So there it is. A Load of science for you. These are all CBO figures (a source both parties use). Go study the wealth gaps over history and study tax rates on the wealthy when we were doing the best economically (early 1950s in case you didn't know). You'll see that you have no argument. Study the economic conditions in the late 1920s and compare to early 2000s. The parallels are sickeningly true.
There were many, many tax deductions allowed in the 1950s.
You didn't do so well for your first post, did you?
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