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Old 09-04-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Reality
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In a deep recession, cutting help to those who lost their job will make the recession worse. The deficit isn't the cause of our bad economy, it is a result.
Spending an additional couple hundred million or more also doesn't help the situation when it doesn't benefit anyone.
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Old 09-04-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Of course not. The republicans will oppose any action taken by political consensus that will assist the nation out of the current crisis we as a nation are in. Any improvement in the lot of the american public weakens the republican arguement. They will throw the baby out with the bathwater. They will literally destroy the country to achieve power and create a totalitarian state. Their rejection of the 4 billion in deficit reduction proposed by Obama demonstrated this.
It was 4 trillion. Obama and Boehner were close to a deal on that 4 trillion, but the tea party folks balked at that. If the deficit committee can reach a grand bargain that can get out of the House and Senate it would force Republicans to either show the American public they are going to try and fix our problems or just obstruct, so they can go on trying to blame Obama for everything.

Basically, it would be put up or shut up time for the tea party.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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Spending an additional couple hundred million or more also doesn't help the situation when it doesn't benefit anyone.
That's true, but cutting off support to those hurting in a deep recession enhances the recession because demand is further eroded.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Your thread title is asking about Conservatives, not Republicans.
Most Republicans are conservatives and most conservatives are Republicans or vote Republican.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The deficit Obama inherited was already a trillion dollar deficit. When that many people lose their jobs, the government loses tax revenue and then spends on programs to help those affected by the recession Obama inherited.
Hardy har har har. It is all Bush's fault and all of us know it.

Somehow I would like to have you point out how much good all those dollars to get unemployment away from the Bush leaving point have done. About $2 trillion and a loss of over 2 million jobs doesn't seem like a very good expenditure.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Hardy har har har. It is all Bush's fault and all of us know it.

Somehow I would like to have you point out how much good all those dollars to get unemployment away from the Bush leaving point have done. About $2 trillion and a loss of over 2 million jobs doesn't seem like a very good expenditure.
When Obama took office, he didn't inherit a recession and trillion dollar deficit?

Also, you are avoiding my original question and just trying to deflect.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Gringrich and other Republicans were railing against it at the last GOP debate.
Against the far left members appointed from Congress, maybe. I think you failed to see that Gingrich was talking about a dozen replacing the 535 elected members in the process. Do you really fail to understand that?
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Of course not. The republicans will oppose any action taken by political consensus that will assist the nation out of the current crisis we as a nation are in. Any improvement in the lot of the american public weakens the republican arguement. They will throw the baby out with the bathwater. They will literally destroy the country to achieve power and create a totalitarian state. Their rejection of the 4 billion in deficit reduction proposed by Obama demonstrated this.
How big a dent was that $4 billion going to make? Somehow I can't see much effect on over $14 trillion from that suggestion. You have to stop thinking about a puny suggestion like that one and realize that $4 billion would take over 4000 later cuts of the same size to even do the trick.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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Against the far left members appointed from Congress, maybe. I think you failed to see that Gingrich was talking about a dozen replacing the 535 elected members in the process. Do you really fail to understand that?
If that "thought" was applied to every committee, then every member of Congress would also need to be on every committee.

Logic fail on Gingrich's part.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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How big a dent was that $4 billion going to make? Somehow I can't see much effect on over $14 trillion from that suggestion. You have to stop thinking about a puny suggestion like that one and realize that $4 billion would take over 4000 later cuts of the same size to even do the trick.
It wasn't 4 billion, it was 4 trillion. Obama and Boehner were in agreement for 4 trillion in deficit reductions, but the tea party balked and forced Boehner to go with the smaller 2 trillion package.
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