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Old 09-09-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I didn't realize our government was setup where one administration controls all the power. From 1993 to 1995 we went from a solidly democratic congress to a solidly republican congress. So what's the point of assigning the blame game and what does it accomplish? Even if "this started" under the democrats then why didn't the republicans stop it? Furthermore, what's your motive here? Do you actually care about solutions or do you just want to assign blame in order to satisfy and validate your own beliefs?

I'm actually more conservative leaning but I believe the political parties are a waste of time as their dogmas can't stand up to a rapidly evolving world. Plus it's just stupid to take a side and argue for it when it comes to running the world's most powerful country.

Lastly, I do read Fox News and MSNBC. I just know both sources slant their news to favor their own side. However, at least MSNBC is open about their stance while FOX still parades this fair and balanced BS.
At least Fox News does not zoom in on a firearm strapped to a person who is protesting against 0bama's policies, (to hide the fact that the person is black), while a panicky sounding news anchor is warning viewers that these protests against 0bama appear to be racially motivated.
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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At least Fox News does not zoom in on a firearm strapped to a person who is protesting against 0bama's policies, (to hide the fact that the person is black), while a panicky sounding news anchor is warning viewers that these protests against 0bama appear to be racially motivated.
No kidding!
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Old 09-09-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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I don't think any concious person believes the GOP will be party to anything that could possibly add jobs. Certainly not Obama! This just the beginning of the campaign. It's the Dems cementing that they are on the side of 80% of America.
WAKE UP...! You are dreaming and spouting nonsense in your sleep...!
Jobs will return in abundance as soon as that dirty, corrupt b@stard obama is out of office, not until..! 80% of America want obama gone, the sooner the better..!!
The Tea Party and the Republicans will save America from the fools who follow obama...
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Wrong, the government stuck their slimy little hands in to the business. "Everyone should be allowed to get housing!"

THERE'S A REASON SOME PEOPLE DON'T GET TO HAVE THESE THINGS! They can't afford it.

And it ultimately falls on the consumer. The writing was there, I do NOT feel sympathy for those who did not read the fine print. That is your responsibility as a consumer. That is no one's fault but the consumer. Living beyond their means, the sense of entitlement, greed.

And the banks were forced to do it because Democrats thought everyone should have housing...it just wasn't faaaiiir the other way. Waah!
I know, capitalism can never be to blame, so it must be the government's fault. The Republican narrative is that government forced poor defenseless banks to lend to undeserving minorities and that's what caused the housing crisis 15 years later.

The fallacy in conservative view is that the government 'forced' banks to make bad loans. The profit motive and perverse incentives made the financial institutions make bad loans. Under the age-old system, a bank would make prudent loans because they intended upon holding those loans for a long time and they wanted to assure that the borrower had the means to repay the loan.

Under their system, banks could make risky loans because they intended upon selling the loan five-minutes after signing to a financial institution that would bundle that loan with other loans and sell them as bond-like investments. Thus, the bank couldn't care whether the borrower was a good risk or bad one. Therefore, they made money on the volume of loans not the quality. That's one of the perverse incentives and had nothing to do with the government but had everything to do with greed.

The government didn't have to twist the bank's arms to lend to unworthy borrowers. The banks and mortgage companies were eager to do it and advertised for borrowers. We all heard the TV ads - "no credit check, no asset check, no problem."

Banks relaxed their standards of lending because the brokers got rich relaxing those standards.

As I've said before, Freddie and Fanny Mac were minor players in this market.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Instead of just handing the cash to a newly-created bureaucracy, and rewarding unions for their support of the Democrats, with the power of the stimulus watered down and chipped away, why not demonstrate some real creativeness and issue each American household a non-transferable voucher -- which MUST be redeemed within one year (or it is no longer valid), and good only for goods, products, or services made in the USA --- for $3982.30 ($450 billion divided by 113 million)?

That way, the money goes to the people who will spend it, depending on their own individual choices and needs. Small and large business will benefit. People will be hired by the private sector. Taxes will be collected. And the entire economy will benefit.

Obama claims that his proposal will benefit each American household by $1500. I have him beat by over two grand!

Good idea? Yes? No? Why?
Good idea. In fact, let's make it better. Let's send every household ten times that amount ($39,823.00) so we can all buy a new car..... that would really heat up the economy!!!!!
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I don't think any concious person believes the GOP will be party to anything that could possibly add jobs. Certainly not Obama! This just the beginning of the campaign. It's the Dems cementing that they are on the side of 80% of America.

Hmmmm.... I wonder who those "80%" are...

Is it the segment that's living off the nanny state? No, that's less than 80%.

Is it the segment paying income taxes? No, they don't support Obama's big government spending.

Is it the segment that is unemployed? No, they don't support an ineffective leader.

Who would that be?????
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Because your idea does nothing to put people to work and is short-term thinking.

Give a man $4K and he'll buy a new gadget. Teach a man to build gadgets and he can feed his family, pay his mortgage, and fuel his car.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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Because your idea does nothing to put people to work and is short-term thinking.

Give a man $4K and he'll buy a new gadget. Teach a man to build gadgets and he can feed his family, pay his mortgage, and fuel his car.
Let that man figure life out on his own and you save $4K
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Let that man figure life out on his own and you save $4K
LOL

Too bad so many are too damn dumb to do so...
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Old 09-09-2011, 07:03 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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At least Fox News does not zoom in on a firearm strapped to a person who is protesting against 0bama's policies, (to hide the fact that the person is black), while a panicky sounding news anchor is warning viewers that these protests against 0bama appear to be racially motivated.
Is that the best ya got?
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