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Old 10-04-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Good. The more people get vaccinated the better.
Here - Don't ever say I never gave you anything to keep yourself busy.

"2). Big Pharma Fraud. Remember that scene early in Fight Club, when Edward Norton explained his job, when it was more profitable to let a car defect go and pay whatever lawsuit settlements come from the deaths, and when it’s better to recall the cars because the number of deaths will result in too many lawsuits? This is humanitarian do-gooder stuff compared to the savage real-world fraud-for-profit model that drives America’s drug companies. It’s really simple and it goes like this: the more fraud a drug company commits, so long as it’s off-the-scale fraud with the most horrible consequences for the victims, the drug company’s profits always outdo the criminal fines and lawsuits by factors of 20, 30, 100… It’s as simple as that. Because the billion in penalties here or the two billion in class action lawsuit settlements there are always far less than the tens of billions you earn from pushing harmful drugs on unsuspecting idiots. To wit: Between May 2004 and March 2010, a handful of top drug companies like Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Bristol-Myers paid over $7 billion in criminal penalties for bribing doctors to prescribe drugs for unapproved uses, with sometimes deadly consequences. However, as a Bloomberg report noted, the fines are always a fraction of the profits—Pfizer alone paid almost $3 billion in criminal fines since 2004, yet that was just one percent of their total revenues; Eli Lilly got busted bribing doctors to prescribe a schizophrenia drug, Zyprexa, to elderly patients suffering from dementia, even though company-run clinical trials showed an alarming death rate of 31 people out of 1,184 participants (double the placebo rate). Whatever—the market for elderly dementia patients meant billions in extra revenues. So Eli Lilly continued pushing Zyprexa on the elderly for another four years until it the Feds busted them. Eli Lilly got hit with $1.42 billion fine, but that was peanuts compared to the $36 billion it earned on Zyprexa sales from 2000-2008. To make it happen, the drug companies buy off all the checks and balances: lawsuits revealed the enormous bribes they pay to doctors, and even America’s medical journals are so corrupted by drug company influence that they’re no longer reliable as much more than hidden advertisements, according to a recent UCSF study. Medical journals are 5 times more likely to publish “positive” drug reviews than negative reviews, and one-quarter of all clinical trials are never published at all, leading doctors to prescribe drugs assuming they have all the information. The result: prescription drugs kill one American every five minutes …while Americans pay more for drugs than anyone in the world, spending a total of $12 billion on drugs in 1980 to spending $291 billion in 2008—a 1,700% increase. America is ranked only 17th in the world in life expectancy."

Confessions Of A Wall St. Nihilist: Forget About Goldman Sachs, Our Entire Economy Is Built On Fraud - By Mark Ames - The eXiled
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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All products have potential adverse effects. Shall we ban cars because people get into auto accidents?



None of this babbling has anything to do with the gardasil vaccine.

The vaccine has been tested and found to work. It is amazing to me that people can actually argue against known cancer prevention methods.
OOOOH!

The big C.

That always works!
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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All products have potential adverse effects. Shall we ban cars because people get into auto accidents?

None of this babbling has anything to do with the gardasil vaccine.

The vaccine has been tested and found to work. It is amazing to me that people can actually argue against known cancer prevention methods.

Sure it does!
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Here are the simple facts.

1. In Texas, to get the insurance companies to pay for a vaccine, it has to be "state mandated".
2. The mandate that Perry signed for the purpose of making this a drug paid by insurance companies included the same "opt out" that every other mandated vaccine in Texas has.
3. The cost of the vaccine is very high. somewhere between $100 and $300 per shot and it takes 3 shots over a course of a few months.

What Perry did was make this drug accessable to the most vulnerable citizens of Texas and he did it in such a way as to provide protection while not stomping on parental rights.

The issue was picked up and turned into something it really wasnt by people who wanted an "issue" to use against Perry.

Not one single person in Texas, when the EO was signed was forced to take this drug. NOT ONE. But hundreds of thousands of kids who otherwise would not have had access were given that access.

THESE are the facts.
Thanks for sharing the facts.
We as a country spend billions of dollars in cancer curing research but unfortunately haven't found a cure yet. But, it's a fact, we get a bigger bang for the buck on cancer prevention research. Now that we have a cancer preventive measure for HPV, it's being vilified by the ignorant few in our society.
I had numerous discussions among my friends in the medical field (OB/Gyn) and this topic is always brought up, specially because it came up as a topic during the debate and they flat out are for this vaccine.

In this day and age, we have easy access to information, but unfortunately some can be misleading. Just imagine, if our parents or grandparents objected to the polio vaccine, it would have had led to catastrophic results in our society.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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All products have potential adverse effects. Shall we ban cars because people get into auto accidents?
No! That was tried in my case.

The Contracting Officer at NIH, Lynda Kieres, determined that walking in vehicular traffic was no more dangerous than driving a van in vehicular traffic.

Judge Borwick ruled that because evidence at trial showed that I had successfully jumped out of the way of oncoming traffic, that that was proof in itself that there was no more risk in walking in vehicular traffic with opened boxes of inflammables, explosives, teratogens, carcinogens, mutagens, infectious agents and chemical toxins, than driving the van to transport them.

He ruled that if I had been unsuccessful at dodging the traffic, and therefore had incurred an injury, that he would have ruled in my favor.

He dismissed these DOT statistics as being only "theory" of risk:

http://www.ta.org.br/site/Banco/7man...PIpuchertq.pdf

Judge Borwick doesn't put much stock in statistics, or near misses.

A miss is as good as a mile, man.

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Old 10-04-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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Here - Don't ever say I never gave you anything to keep yourself busy.

"2). Big Pharma Fraud. Remember that scene early in Fight Club, when Edward Norton explained his job, when it was more profitable to let a car defect go and pay whatever lawsuit settlements come from the deaths, and when it’s better to recall the cars because the number of deaths will result in too many lawsuits? This is humanitarian do-gooder stuff compared to the savage real-world fraud-for-profit model that drives America’s drug companies. It’s really simple and it goes like this: the more fraud a drug company commits, so long as it’s off-the-scale fraud with the most horrible consequences for the victims, the drug company’s profits always outdo the criminal fines and lawsuits by factors of 20, 30, 100… It’s as simple as that. Because the billion in penalties here or the two billion in class action lawsuit settlements there are always far less than the tens of billions you earn from pushing harmful drugs on unsuspecting idiots. To wit: Between May 2004 and March 2010, a handful of top drug companies like Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Bristol-Myers paid over $7 billion in criminal penalties for bribing doctors to prescribe drugs for unapproved uses, with sometimes deadly consequences. However, as a Bloomberg report noted, the fines are always a fraction of the profits—Pfizer alone paid almost $3 billion in criminal fines since 2004, yet that was just one percent of their total revenues; Eli Lilly got busted bribing doctors to prescribe a schizophrenia drug, Zyprexa, to elderly patients suffering from dementia, even though company-run clinical trials showed an alarming death rate of 31 people out of 1,184 participants (double the placebo rate). Whatever—the market for elderly dementia patients meant billions in extra revenues. So Eli Lilly continued pushing Zyprexa on the elderly for another four years until it the Feds busted them. Eli Lilly got hit with $1.42 billion fine, but that was peanuts compared to the $36 billion it earned on Zyprexa sales from 2000-2008. To make it happen, the drug companies buy off all the checks and balances: lawsuits revealed the enormous bribes they pay to doctors, and even America’s medical journals are so corrupted by drug company influence that they’re no longer reliable as much more than hidden advertisements, according to a recent UCSF study. Medical journals are 5 times more likely to publish “positive” drug reviews than negative reviews, and one-quarter of all clinical trials are never published at all, leading doctors to prescribe drugs assuming they have all the information. The result: prescription drugs kill one American every five minutes …while Americans pay more for drugs than anyone in the world, spending a total of $12 billion on drugs in 1980 to spending $291 billion in 2008—a 1,700% increase. America is ranked only 17th in the world in life expectancy."

Confessions Of A Wall St. Nihilist: Forget About Goldman Sachs, Our Entire Economy Is Built On Fraud - By Mark Ames - The eXiled
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OOOOH!

The big C.

That always works!
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Sure it does!
None of this has anything to do with vaccines let the gardasil vaccine.

Most vaccines aren't profitable. Companies like Merck make far more money from treating toenail fungus than they do by manufacturing the DTaP vaccine.

You are babbling tinfoil hatted nonsense. Please stop.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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No! That was tried in my case.

The Contracting Officer at NIH, Lynda Kieres, determined that walking in vehicular traffic was no more dangerous than driving a van in vehicular traffic.

Judge Borwick ruled that because evidence at trial showed that I had successfully jumped out of the way of oncoming traffic, that that was proof in itself that there was no more risk in walking in vehicular traffic with opened boxes of inflammables, explosives, teratogens, carcinogens, mutagens, infectious agents and chemical toxins, than driving the van to transport them.

He ruled that if I had been unsuccessful at dodging the traffic, and therefore had incurred an injury, that he would have ruled in my favor.

He dismissed these DOT statistics as being only "theory" of risk:

http://www.ta.org.br/site/Banco/7man...PIpuchertq.pdf

Judge Borwick doesn't put much faith in statistics, or near misses.

A miss is as good as a mile, man.
More nonsensical posts that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Yes, vaccines have risks. So does getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, diphtheria, polio and all the other vaccine preventable diseases including HPV. HPV can cause cancer. The vaccine helps lower your risk of getting HPV and thus getting cancer.

Most rational people view this as a GOOD thing.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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More nonsensical posts that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Yes, vaccines have risks. So does getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, diphtheria, polio and all the other vaccine preventable diseases including HPV. HPV can cause cancer. The vaccine helps lower your risk of getting HPV and thus getting cancer.

Most rational people view this as a GOOD thing.
Well, there's proof, and then there's theory, or the inverse of theresaid.

Your claims are hyperbolic.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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None of this has anything to do with vaccines let the gardasil vaccine.

Most vaccines aren't profitable. Companies like Merck make far more money from treating toenail fungus than they do by manufacturing the DTaP vaccine.

You are babbling tinfoil hatted nonsense. Please stop.
Risk and fear, man, risk and fear.

And profits!
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Risk and fear, man, risk and fear.

And profits!

source? seeing as most of the drug companies don't make money on the vaccines (they are subsidized by the government).

Do you know where they make money? On prescription drugs like aspirin, viagra and heart medicine.

Vaccines do not make companies any money. Its a loss leader product for them.
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