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Old 09-19-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Just think- If Al Gore was born earlier, he could be a billionaire by pulling off the Global Warming scam multiple times. Missed opportunities.


In general, most scientists say that the Earth formed somewhere in between—about 4.55 to 4.56 billion years ago.

Thermometers were invented between the 16th and 17th century.

Do we really have enough information to say we control global warming???????????????
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Hate to burst your GW bubble but.........

Are the ice caps melting?




Um, on that big chart you posted I do see a general trend of decline from 2001 on, despite occasional spikes in the other direction
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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Sigh. If you want me to post that graph again, I'll post it. It shows the same thing as the pictures. Here you go. IJIS Web Site
Now explain how all years of the graph support the claim you made.

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I'll even use your favorite website to provide that evidence:
GISS Deletes Arctic And Southern Ocean Sea Surface Temperature Data | Watts Up With That?
So you link me an article about the GISS deleting its sea surface temp data? What is your point? Again... you need to explain your position and how the citations you provide support your claim. This is called arguing a position.



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Yes, you are arguing the concept of warmer oceans and melt. And I'm not sure what YOUR conclusion is about MY position. My position is simply one of scientific evidence. Yours seems to be one of denying its validity. Now I'm done with this petty argument. Sorry your own links proved you wrong. If you want to try with new ones, I'm sure we can prove you wrong again.
No, that is incorrect, I am asking for you to provide support for the claim that this is the direct cause of loss and that it is what will lead to an eventual ice less arctic.

There are many other aspects which effect ice melt. Soot is a common belief in some circles. Also, wind has a very strong effect on the ice as well. Current shifts of warm water also can cause this.

You however have not provided a support to your claim. If you are interested in the science, then my questions to you should provoke no defense from you as I am not making a conclusion one way or the other as to the prediction of the ice, that is your argument... one you have yet to properly support.
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Um, on that big chart you posted I do see a general trend of decline from 2001 on, despite occasional spikes in the other direction
Except it was above average starting in the fall of 2008, coincidentally when Al Gore dropped out of the public spotlight....
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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Um, on that big chart you posted I do see a general trend of decline from 2001 on, despite occasional spikes in the other direction
At the later end of a 30 year record, yes.. there is a slightly downward trend. It starts roughly around 2000, so the last 10 years of the record show that out of a 30 year record (with some spike recovery as others noted). Do you honestly think that is sufficient to come to a conclusion about anything?
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Except it was above average starting in the fall of 2008, coincidentally when Al Gore dropped out of the public spotlight....
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At the later end of a 30 year record, yes.. there is a slightly downward trend. It starts roughly around 2000, so the last 10 years of the record show that out of a 30 year record (with some spike recovery as others noted). Do you honestly think that is sufficient to come to a conclusion about anything?
I just thought it funny that he or she posted that chart as it does not really support the point they were trying to make...
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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Lets look at ice cores dating back 400,000 years and see if mankind is at fault:



4.5 billion years??



http://westcoastword.wordpress.com/2...limate-change/

Hmmmmm
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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I just thought it funny that he or she posted that chart as it does not really support the point they were trying to make...
Eh, just showing you the error in your statement

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Um, on that big chart you posted I do see a general trend of decline from 2001 on
Using a 10 year span out of 4.5 BILLION years, even you with your superior intelligence has to admit it's ludicrous...
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Why? For us modern humans everything before, say, a few hundred thousand years or maybe even just a few ten thousand years ago, is irrelevant because modern life is very much dependent on the climate and earth the way it has been for the past few thousand years... Any major change in any direction would be a problem in my view.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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Why? For us modern humans everything before, say, a few hundred thousand years or maybe even just a few ten thousand years ago, is irrelevant because modern life is very much dependent on the climate and earth the way it has been for the past few thousand years... Any major change in any direction would be a problem in my view.
I understand completely, the cycles of the Universe have nothing to do with the warming and cooling cycles of the Earth

Mankind by 2011 understands all the secrets and mechanics of the Universe, gotcha

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