The Arctic is Melting: Claims from the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50,s (independent, world)
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So you link me an article about the GISS deleting its sea surface temp data? What is your point? Again... you need to explain your position and how the citations you provide support your claim. This is called arguing a position.
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Originally Posted by coastalgirl
Yes, you are arguing the concept of warmer oceans and melt. And I'm not sure what YOUR conclusion is about MY position. My position is simply one of scientific evidence. Yours seems to be one of denying its validity. Now I'm done with this petty argument. Sorry your own links proved you wrong. If you want to try with new ones, I'm sure we can prove you wrong again.
No, that is incorrect, I am asking for you to provide support for the claim that this is the direct cause of loss and that it is what will lead to an eventual ice less arctic.
There are many other aspects which effect ice melt. Soot is a common belief in some circles. Also, wind has a very strong effect on the ice as well. Current shifts of warm water also can cause this.
You however have not provided a support to your claim. If you are interested in the science, then my questions to you should provoke no defense from you as I am not making a conclusion one way or the other as to the prediction of the ice, that is your argument... one you have yet to properly support.
Um, on that big chart you posted I do see a general trend of decline from 2001 on, despite occasional spikes in the other direction
At the later end of a 30 year record, yes.. there is a slightly downward trend. It starts roughly around 2000, so the last 10 years of the record show that out of a 30 year record (with some spike recovery as others noted). Do you honestly think that is sufficient to come to a conclusion about anything?
Except it was above average starting in the fall of 2008, coincidentally when Al Gore dropped out of the public spotlight....
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Originally Posted by Nomander
At the later end of a 30 year record, yes.. there is a slightly downward trend. It starts roughly around 2000, so the last 10 years of the record show that out of a 30 year record (with some spike recovery as others noted). Do you honestly think that is sufficient to come to a conclusion about anything?
I just thought it funny that he or she posted that chart as it does not really support the point they were trying to make...
Why? For us modern humans everything before, say, a few hundred thousand years or maybe even just a few ten thousand years ago, is irrelevant because modern life is very much dependent on the climate and earth the way it has been for the past few thousand years... Any major change in any direction would be a problem in my view.
Why? For us modern humans everything before, say, a few hundred thousand years or maybe even just a few ten thousand years ago, is irrelevant because modern life is very much dependent on the climate and earth the way it has been for the past few thousand years... Any major change in any direction would be a problem in my view.
I understand completely, the cycles of the Universe have nothing to do with the warming and cooling cycles of the Earth
Mankind by 2011 understands all the secrets and mechanics of the Universe, gotcha
Last edited by plwhit; 09-19-2011 at 12:34 PM..
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