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Old 09-23-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I don't want to have a chilling effect on your expressing a wrong opinion, but here's what a federal court said:

"When public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens for First Amendment purposes, and the Constitution does not insulate their communications from employer discipline... the first amendment does not entitle primary and secondary teachers, when conducting the education of captive audiences, to cover topics, or advocate viewpoints, that depart from the curriculum adopted by the school system."
No chilling effect here, once you read my post you will see I am in agreement. When they are acting in their teaching capacity. A german teaching discussing life in general, 2 men kissing and you have to learn to live with it, is no longer acting in their teaching capacity.

Wenn in der deutschen klasse, wir lernen zu sprechen und zu lesen, nicht diskutieren Homosexualität.

Sorry if it's not 100% correct I am better in Yiddish than German.

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Old 09-23-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Yes, if you go preaching about your beliefs which involves attacking others.
Did he physically harm a homosexual?

NO
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Did he physically harm a homosexual?

NO
Thank you for letting us know your understanding of the word "attack".
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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I find it amusing that just last week there was an outcry by the left for a banner with the word "God" on it and how it was ruled by the Supreme court that the teacher was in a position to influence the students, therefore the banner should be removed.

When there is a picture of homosexuals placed in the classroom by the teacher, it almost seems as if they want different rules to apply.

Once again, hypocrisy is visited.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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I find it amusing that just last week there was an outcry by the left for a banner with the word "God" on it and how it was ruled by the Supreme court that the teacher was in a position to influence the students, therefore the banner should be removed.

When there is a picture of homosexuals placed in the classroom by the teacher, it almost seems as if they want different rules to apply.

Once again, hypocrisy is visited.
One deals with religion and therefore involves violations of the 1st Amendment. One does not.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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One deals with religion and therefore involves violations of the 1st Amendment. One does not.
But doesn't that depend upon your interpretation of the 1st Amendment? Did that banner advocate for a state run church?
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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One deals with religion and therefore involves violations of the 1st Amendment. One does not.
Since when does religion violate the 1st amendment?

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The Establishment Clause prohibits the federal, state or municipal establishment of a religion or other preference for one religion over another, non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion.
Please note "non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion".
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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But doesn't that depend upon your interpretation of the 1st Amendment? Did that banner advocate for a state run church?
It was a public teacher posting a giant 7 foot sign in a class with a captive audience with God and Creator on it. The 1st Amendment deals with more than a state run church.

No offical affiliated with any government entity may endorse or establish a religion.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But doesn't that depend upon your interpretation of the 1st Amendment? Did that banner advocate for a state run church?
It vouched for religion. A public school is not the place for it.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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Since when does religion violate the 1st amendment?

Please note "non-religion over religion, or religion over non-religion".
Yes, and the teacher endorsed Christianity over anything else to a captive audience in a classroom, which the Supreme Court has already applied stricter 1st Amendment restrictions on.
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