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Old 09-24-2011, 07:41 AM
 
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Is this true? I just got an e-mail about Obama & the FDA banning our access to some supplements. Durbin is also in with it. Anyone know if/ when this is going down?
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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No, it's just spam e-mail. It has a speck of truth to it. The FDA has had restrictions on supplements, but some of them were vague and unenforceable. Now, they're more enforceable, because they are more specific. It's nothing new.

Supplement companies are not allowed to make medical claims, period. If they make medical claims, they are required by law to undergo the exact same procedures as all pharmaceuticals, which includes years of testing, double blind studies by approved labs, etc. etc. etc. If they don't make medical claims, then they don't have to undergo that process.

Companies that have complied with this all along, won't see any change. Companies that don't comply, will be required to comply, OR back down and remove the product until they do comply. Any company that claims their product has "components in it proven to cure testicular cancer" can no longer say "but we're not saying our product cures cancer, only this one molecule we include in our product can!"

Again - it's nothing new, and it will force non-compliant supplement companies to be compliant, or to be accountable for their non-compliance. The choice is, as it was all along, theirs.
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:10 AM
 
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I've heard about that too, but since nearly all supplements say "This product has not been tested or approved by the FDA", and a bunch of other stuff, they shouldn't fall under new regulations. UNLESS, they are changing the rules, AnonChick. Rules do change too, they are not set in stone
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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No, it's just spam e-mail. It has a speck of truth to it. The FDA has had restrictions on supplements, but some of them were vague and unenforceable. Now, they're more enforceable, because they are more specific. It's nothing new.

Supplement companies are not allowed to make medical claims, period. If they make medical claims, they are required by law to undergo the exact same procedures as all pharmaceuticals, which includes years of testing, double blind studies by approved labs, etc. etc. etc. If they don't make medical claims, then they don't have to undergo that process.

Companies that have complied with this all along, won't see any change. Companies that don't comply, will be required to comply, OR back down and remove the product until they do comply. Any company that claims their product has "components in it proven to cure testicular cancer" can no longer say "but we're not saying our product cures cancer, only this one molecule we include in our product can!"

Again - it's nothing new, and it will force non-compliant supplement companies to be compliant, or to be accountable for their non-compliance. The choice is, as it was all along, theirs.
FDA Says Walnuts Are Illegal Drugs

LEF: "FDA THREATENS TO RAID CHERRY ORCHARDS"

FDA Alerts (http://doctorapsley.com/FDAAlerts.aspx - broken link)
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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FDA Says Walnuts Are Illegal Drugs

LEF: "FDA THREATENS TO RAID CHERRY ORCHARDS"

FDA Alerts (http://doctorapsley.com/FDAAlerts.aspx - broken link)
Notice that none of those three links are to the FDA. All of them include snippets of the guidelines. The walnut thing isn't even new, it happened once, several years ago, and the walnut company changed the wording on their package to comply. Walnuts are still legal, they're not drugs, and they're still sold by the same company under the same brand name.

You're posting conspiracy media scare-mongering nonsense. Check the actual FDA guidelines, from the FDA website, for the actual facts, instead of trusting in third-party political agenda.
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Old 09-24-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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Notice that none of those three links are to the FDA. All of them include snippets of the guidelines. The walnut thing isn't even new, it happened once, several years ago, and the walnut company changed the wording on their package to comply. Walnuts are still legal, they're not drugs, and they're still sold by the same company under the same brand name.

You're posting conspiracy media scare-mongering nonsense. Check the actual FDA guidelines, from the FDA website, for the actual facts, instead of trusting in third-party political agenda.
The FDA conspires with corporations.

No theory, just fact.
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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The FDA regulates devices and drugs which make medical claims.

Supplements have not been regulated. A company that markets supplements is not supposed to make claims regarding the product's ability to cure. treat or mitigate a disease or ailment.

The problem is that there are a lot of bad apples in the supplements business. Take a look at colloidal silver, magnetic therapy just as examples. Too many have crossed the line too many times, been warned over and over and won't stop making claims about what their products have done. These claims are
a) not based on well-defined studies
and
b) not been subjected to any kind of regulation.

The FDA wanted to put a lid on the snake oil and frankly it was high time. Why should a company get away with claiming that their product cures disease when they have not subjected themselves to any kind of objective scrutiny?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-health-claims
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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The FDA regulates devices and drugs which make medical claims.

Supplements have not been regulated. A company that markets supplements is not supposed to make claims regarding the product's ability to cure. treat or mitigate a disease or ailment.

The problem is that there are a lot of bad apples in the supplements business. Take a look at colloidal silver, magnetic therapy just as examples. Too many have crossed the line too many times, been warned over and over and won't stop making claims about what their products have done. These claims are
a) not based on well-defined studies
and
b) not been subjected to any kind of regulation.

The FDA wanted to put a lid on the snake oil and frankly it was high time. Why should a company get away with claiming that their product cures disease when they have not subjected themselves to any kind of objective scrutiny?

FDA warns company about supplement claims - Chicago Tribune
Colloidal silver was tested at the Rocky Mountain Laboratories by Willie Burgdorfer, who found it to be about 100 times more effective in killing the spirochetes causing lyme disease than any known antibiotic.

His protege, Tom Schwann, squashed his research and prevented any further investigation or publication on the efficacy of colloidal silver as a treatment for any disease.

I asked Tom why he did that, and he said he didn't think the Government should be endorsing "private sector products".

Tom Schwann was rewarded with a promotion to Lab Chief, and Willie was "retired".

Today, Willie can be seen walking the sidewalks of Hamilton, MT, with a confused and dazed look on his face.

Possibly, a classic example of Old School to New School.

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Old 09-24-2011, 11:38 AM
 
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Is this true? I just got an e-mail about Obama & the FDA banning our access to some supplements. Durbin is also in with it. Anyone know if/ when this is going down?
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Obama is all about control, controlling everything to do with your life.
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with Obama. The dietary act was introduced as two different bills in 2003. The acts were expired without having ever been voted on in 2004, and have not been re-visited currently in congress.

See here:
snopes.com: Codex Alimentarius

Gotta love the politics forum here - it's chock full of crack-pot conspiracy theories, shoved at the minds of the ignorant masses, and just itching for people with some semblence of intelligence and common sense to debunk.
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