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Old 09-29-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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First, it doesn't have to be ....

climate change is normal for any planet AND


AND


AND


pollution and destruction of land and resources ALSO affects climate.



The Repugs don't care as long as their only god, corporations, can do anything they want, pollute water their children will drink, destroy land, air and open spaces that their children and grandchildren will need...anything to show their worship of their only god.

They view environmentalists as plotting to MAKE MONEY off saving the environment...and to them that's a crime....but corporations making money off ruining the environment is fine......


Oh, and they're "afeared " of science It has those "facty" things...they hate facts.

LOL, the poor lefties still haven't accepted this fact.

CERN: 'Climate models will need to be substantially revised' ? The Register
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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After the Arctic sea ice extent hit its second lowest size on record this summer—or lowest (depending on the source)—comes another climate change shocker: in the past six years Canada's millennia-old ice shelves have shed nearly half their size. Climate change shocker: Canada's ice shelves halved in six years

The fossil fuel industries bring to mind the tobacco industry years ago.

In the 1980s, as scientists studied Greenland's buried ice for clues to past climate, upgraded their computer models peering into the future, and improved global temperature analyses, the fossil-fuel industries were mobilizing for a campaign to question the science.

Read more: Republican 'denialism' grows with climate change splitting voters down party lines | Mail Online
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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After the Arctic sea ice extent hit its second lowest size on record this summer—or lowest (depending on the source)—comes another climate change shocker
there was times there was no artic ice at all....

It would be great for shipping if all the ice melted.....and it wont raise the sealevel one bit

we should all want the climate to warm up..become more temperate...more moderate..would be a lot better fro growing..a lot better for humans..
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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there was times there was no artic ice at all....

It would be great for shipping if all the ice melted.....and it wont raise the sealevel one bit

we should all want the climate to warm up..become more temperate...more moderate..would be a lot better fro growing..a lot better for humans..
How so you figure that melting ice won't raise sea levels? It's true that melting sea ice won't raise levels, but if the sea ice is melting, guess what?

The ice is melting so fast in Greenland that the giant island is rising noticeably as the weight is lifted. In some spots, the land is rising 1 inch per year. Greenland Rising Rapidly as Ice Melts | LiveScience

One of the most pronounced effects of climate change has been melting of masses of ice around the world. Glaciers and ice sheets are large, slow-moving assemblages of ice that cover about 10% of the world’s land area and exist on every continent except Australia. They are the world’s largest reservoir of fresh water, holding approximately 75%.
Climate Change and Sea Level Rise

Gravity data collected from space using NASA’s Grace satellite show that Antarctica has been losing more than a hundred cubic kilometers (24 cubic miles) of ice each year since 2002. The latest data reveals that Antarctica is losing ice at an accelerating rate, too. Climate Change: News
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How so you figure that melting ice won't raise sea levels? It's true that melting sea ice won't raise levels, but if the sea ice is melting, guess what?

The ice is melting so fast in Greenland that the giant island is rising noticeably as the weight is lifted. In some spots, the land is rising 1 inch per year.
you seem confused

first sentence you mention SEA ice (which when it melts has ZERO displacemnt since its already part of the water volume)...then second sentence you mention land ice

this is the problem with the fearmongers

btw as much as the artric(sea ice) is melting..the ANTARTIC(LAND) is growing
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Between Heaven And Hell.
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you seem confused

first sentence you mention SEA ice (which when it melts has ZERO displacemnt since its already part of the water volume)...then second sentence you mention land ice

this is the problem with the fearmongers

btw as much as the artric(sea ice) is melting..the ANTARTIC(LAND) is growing
I believe the point being made was, that if the sea ice is melting, then so must be the land ice.
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I believe the point being made was, that if the sea ice is melting, then so must be the land ice.
and yet sealevel has stayed the same for the last 150 years
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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and yet sealevel has stayed the same for the last 150 years
Has it?
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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you seem confused

first sentence you mention SEA ice (which when it melts has ZERO displacemnt since its already part of the water volume)...then second sentence you mention land ice

this is the problem with the fearmongers

btw as much as the artric(sea ice) is melting..the ANTARTIC(LAND) is growing
Can you not read? Check the info I linked to, but I'm pretty sure you won't want to know it.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You know better than that...


I know you put up FALSE charts

btw your chart is mm (MILImeters) and shows a 2-4 mm difference.....2 mm is the thickness of a sheet of paper

In 1842 the "Isle of the Dead" in SE Tasmania was selected for the site of a "Mean Sea Level" (MSL) or "Zero Point of the Sea" (as Captain Sir James Clark Ross, the 19th century British Antarctic explorer, called it ........the refernce mark was carver in the land. Today this mark can clearly be seen 20 cm ABOVE the current mean sea level.

For a wonderful examination of Sea Level change from 1841 to 2004, this picture is worth a thousand words:

http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/jsct/kyoto/images/bbc-dead.jpg (broken link)


Here is another view — this time, the mark has been traced over with line to emphasize it.



The 1841 sea level benchmark (centre) on the ‘Isle of the Dead’, Tasmania. According to Antarctic explorer, Capt. Sir James Clark Ross, it marked mean sea level in 1841. Photo taken at low tide 20 Jan 2004. Mark is 50 cm across; tidal range is less than a metre.
Let’s read that again and consider four things:

#1) - the mark was placed at mean sea level. The word “mean” in this use denotes the “mathematical average”. The sea rose above it and set below it by an equal amount during the tidal cycle.
#2) - The mark was made in the middle of the tidal range in 1841 and it was photographed 163 years later at the bottom of the tidal cycle.
#3) - the tidal cycle is one meter and the mark is 50 centimeters or one-half meter long.
#4) - the mark is sitting about 30 or 40 centimeters above the water in the photograph. Given that there is some wave surge, it looks like the level of the ocean has not changed one bit in 163 years


in fact some studies even say the sea levels will FALL ...British meteorologist, Sir George Simpson in 1938 , and confirmed by several studies since, suggests that a warming ocean will result in more evaporation and thus more cloudiness. The `Simpson Effect' as it has been called, would increase precipitation over the polar regions in the form of snowfall, building up the ice mass, and thus become frozen water permanently lost from the oceans. Yet more moisture will precipitate over internal land catchments such as the Caspian Sea and Lake Victoria in east Africa, again removing water from the ocean mass. These latter processes are believed to be sufficient not only to offset the rise in sea level predicted from ocean warming, but could result in a fall in sea level of up to 7 mm/yr



here is The raw sea level record from Stockholm


The sea level is clearly falling

and this one shows sea level to be pretty stable from 1930s-present



even the temps in europe have shown a NATURAL sine wave
and the fact that we are coming out of a cold spell
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