Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-27-2011, 01:27 AM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,698,996 times
Reputation: 22474

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by reconmark View Post
The Conservative's mantra in the face of this, CEOs deserve every penny because they are special; and it's the unions fault.
But it was the liberals who used taxpayer's money to bail these CEO's out. And liberals who push to expand NAFTA and cheap labor immigration.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-27-2011, 01:31 AM
 
12,669 posts, read 20,447,035 times
Reputation: 3050
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
Big American corporations are making more money, and creating more jobs, outside the United States than in it.


CEO pay, meanwhile, has soared. The median value of salaries, bonuses and long-term incentive awards for CEOs at 350 big American companies surged 11 percent last year to $9.3 million (according to a study of proxy statements conducted for The Wall Street Journal by the management consultancy Hay Group.). Bonuses have surged 19.7 percent.

This doesn’t even include all those stock options rewarded to CEOs at rock-bottom prices in 2008 and 2009. Stock prices have ballooned since then, the current downdraft notwithstanding.

In March, 2009, for example, Ford CEO Alan Mulally received a grant of options and restricted shares worth an estimated $16 million at the time.

But Ford is now showing large profits – in part because the UAW agreed to allow Ford to give its new hires roughly half the wages of older Ford workers – and its share prices have responded. Mulally’s 2009 grant is now worth over $200 million.

The ratio of corporate profits to wages is now higher than at any time since just before the Great Depression.

This Labor Day, we need protests | Need to Know | PBS
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 02:16 AM
 
3,875 posts, read 3,871,171 times
Reputation: 2527
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtn View Post
Ford, GM, and Chrysler have no doubt kept more jobs on-shore than most major US employers, and that should be applauded. It cannot be done with $28 wages for entry level, Cadillac benes stretching cost to $73/hr. 2 tier was a great compromise, and it saved jobs. PS, new GM contract raises are almost exclusively lower tier, some going up $3.50/hr.

Ford workers voted to accept a full Tier 2 plant that otherwise was going to Mexico.
This is what will kill Union shops in the future.

Most unions I have worked for in the past have the older/senior Union members continually sell out the younger/entry level workers with the 2 tier system.

These guys don't care about younger Union brothers as they have already got theirs.

You know what will happen in the future ???

Younger workers will refuse to strike or back Senior Union members.

Why would anyone in their right mind support someone that has sold them out and retained better wages and benefits for themselves and ignored newer workers doing the same jobs for less money, vacation and benefits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 02:18 AM
 
3,875 posts, read 3,871,171 times
Reputation: 2527
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
There has rarely been a post on this forum that I disagree with more.

Those guys get more than a worker bee could earn in a thousand life times.

They'll lay you off tomorrow if it'll boost their bonus without the slightest regret
So true !!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 02:20 AM
 
11,531 posts, read 10,290,404 times
Reputation: 3580
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
There has rarely been a post on this forum that I disagree with more.

Those guys get more than a worker bee could earn in a thousand life times.

They'll lay you off tomorrow if it'll boost their bonus without the slightest regret
And a sucker will worship them while they are in the unemployment line.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 05:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
18,665 posts, read 19,970,287 times
Reputation: 7315
antarez, W/O Two tier, many corps would be 100% offshore. How does that help your union bros? It never really was a choice of 1 vs 2 tier, it was 0 or 2 tier.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 06:26 AM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,108,083 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
There has rarely been a post on this forum that I disagree with more.

Those guys get more than a worker bee could earn in a thousand life times.

They'll lay you off tomorrow if it'll boost their bonus without the slightest regret
And you'd quit tomorrow if you hit the lottery.

Whats your point?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 07:10 AM
 
12,270 posts, read 11,329,966 times
Reputation: 8066
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bideshi View Post
There has rarely been a post on this forum that I disagree with more.

Those guys get more than a worker bee could earn in a thousand life times.

They'll lay you off tomorrow if it'll boost their bonus without the slightest regret
Quote:
Originally Posted by antarez View Post
So true !!!
Nobody owes you folks anything. Nobody owes you a job. Nobody owes you an income. Nobody owes you a meal.

I've been laid off before, and I always knew it was coming and why. If your skillset doesn't match your employer's needs, you will be laid off. And yes, they will lay you off with no regrets.

You dust yourself off, go back to school, and develop a skillset that will be valuable to someone who wants to employ you. If you're smart, you get proactive and go to school before it hits the fan. If you're a dope you sit around and complain about those mean CEO's.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
10,029 posts, read 8,346,222 times
Reputation: 4212
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
Big American corporations are making more money, and creating more jobs, outside the United States than in it.


CEO pay, meanwhile, has soared. The median value of salaries, bonuses and long-term incentive awards for CEOs at 350 big American companies surged 11 percent last year to $9.3 million (according to a study of proxy statements conducted for The Wall Street Journal by the management consultancy Hay Group.). Bonuses have surged 19.7 percent.

This doesn’t even include all those stock options rewarded to CEOs at rock-bottom prices in 2008 and 2009. Stock prices have ballooned since then, the current downdraft notwithstanding.

In March, 2009, for example, Ford CEO Alan Mulally received a grant of options and restricted shares worth an estimated $16 million at the time.

But Ford is now showing large profits – in part because the UAW agreed to allow Ford to give its new hires roughly half the wages of older Ford workers – and its share prices have responded. Mulally’s 2009 grant is now worth over $200 million.

The ratio of corporate profits to wages is now higher than at any time since just before the Great Depression.

This Labor Day, we need protests | Need to Know | PBS


And.....your point is?

If you don't like it:

1. Don't do business with these companies

2. Become a CEO and make more money instaed of being jealous of wealthy and successful people
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-27-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
8,802 posts, read 8,898,352 times
Reputation: 4512
Why are liberals so jealous of the well-off?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:28 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top