REX 84 -Why you shouldn't like FEMA (regular, military, governor, retired)
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I have only had one personal dealing with FEMA and I cannot say a bad word about the way they treated me or my family...I was dang glad they were there and they were lightning fast in our case.
It is ridiculous to claim Bush's FEMA was ineffective during Katrina because
they were too busy putting up concertina wire somewhere. All the problems related to the breakdown are very well documented.
Look, it isn't unreasonable for the govt to have plans for worst-case scenarios. We've had several occasions in our history where we have had mass internments of US citizens. If it should ever happen again (God forbid), those people are going to need food, water, tents, blankets, etc. FEMA and the Red Cross are going to be very busy providing those things.
Ron Paul is crazy, BTW. It is scary that a wild-eyed paranoid is even being seriously considered for the office of POTUS .
Excuse me???? Then I take it you thought the imprisonment of our Japanese citizens by executive order of FDR was right and just and ACCEPTABLE in a so-called "free-country"???????
The reason not only FEMA, but also the National Guard, and Red Cross were kept out of Louisiana after Katrina is because Governor Blanco refused to declare a State of Emergency and specifically request federal assistance for a period of three days after the hurricane hit the State.
Neither the National Guard, or the Red Cross were "kept" out of Louisiana. First of all the Red Cross is a non-governmental organization not to mention the fact that the Red Cross has chapters IN Louisiana in general and New Orleans in particular and needs no declaration by anyone. By the way the same is true for the National Guard, which in the case of Louisiana was occupied at the time occupying Iraq.
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As every Governor of every State in the Union is already aware, if they desire ANY assistance from the federal government, it must be officially requested.
True but the inference is incorrect. On August 26th then governor Blanco declared a state of emergency which triggered the Stafford Act and as a result then President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana on the same day, three days prior to Katrina making landfall.
As far as "Martial Law" is concerned, there is no provision within the US Constitution that allows for its suspension. Therefore, any attempt to suspend the US Constitution would have to be considered unconstitutional. No one in the military would not abide by such a blatantly illegal order. The military swears its allegiance to the US Constitution, not the President. Suspending the US Constitution would effectively suspend the military as well.
Aside from the possible suspension of Habeas Corpus there is noting in the Constitution which would proscribe a declaration of martial law nor has there and even then Article I Section 9 allows for its suspension under certain circumstances. By the way, martial law has been declared on numerous occasions and the military has been quite obedient in carrying out the task from 1812 to the desegregation of the Little Rock Arkansas school system. Don't confuse military authority with military justice.
Your last paragraph is wishful thinking. There are NUMEROUS examples of the Constitution not being honored by those who take an oath to honor it.
Not by the military there has not been. At no time in more than 230 years has the military ever violated their oath "to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." As someone who has served in the Marine Corps, I can assure you that the military will not obey any President who attempts to declare Martial Law and suspend the US Constitution, for any reason. The US Constitution is the reason for the existence of the military. To suspend the US Constitution would suspend the military's purpose for existing.
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Originally Posted by emilybh
With each year that passes our elected officials heed it less and less. Our current president for one thinks he can start wars by executive order (without letting Congress first declare war like the Constitution requires) for one; our last President passing the Patriot Act which strips us of our liberties and protections is another. What we need to do is repeal the Patriot Act and again legalize the Constitution and then make sure our so called "leaders" enforce it! We are sovereigns. The government works for US- NOT the other way around (as much as they want us to believe otherwise).
I will not attempt to defend what Obama has done in Libya, that is an impeachable offense without any doubt. However, in regard to the USAPATRIOT Act you are grossly misinformed. First, Presidents do not enact laws, Congress does, and it was a GOP controlled House and a Democrat controlled Senate that originally enacted the law and later modified it. Second, there is absolutely nothing within the USAPATRIOT Act that violates any portion of the US Constitution, not our liberties or any of it's protections. If you had read the bill, which you obviously have not, you would know this. Instead you spew pure hyperbole out of sheer ignorance.
As someone who has served in the Marine Corps, I can assure you that the military will not obey any President who attempts to declare Martial Law and suspend the US Constitution, for any reason.
SInce there is declaring martial law is not synonymous with suspending the US Constitution I guess there is a some heretofore unrecognized difference between the Marines and the Army.
Not by the military there has not been. At no time in more than 230 years has the military ever violated their oath "to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." As someone who has served in the Marine Corps, I can assure you that the military will not obey any President who attempts to declare Martial Law and suspend the US Constitution, for any reason.
Oh really? Don't you remember the US military going door to door taking guns from law abiding citizens in Katrina? If that is not unconstitutional I do not know what is.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Oh really? Don't you remember the US military going door to door taking guns from law abiding citizens in Katrina? If that is not unconstitutional I do not know what is.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Give me a break. The National Guard is not part of the military???? Watch this video where they take guns from wealthy INNOCENT Americans. NO ONE will be able to be armed. This video is from ABC news, so there you go...
uhm they were the LOUSIANNA national guard controlled by the LOUSIANNA GOVERNOR
Still military and still sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States. They followed an unconstitutional order. Hence the reason for the rise of the Oath Keepers.
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The National Guard is not part of the military???? 
