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Old 09-30-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Our border is to large to secure with the resources the border patrol has. And its been that way under every administration since the Mexican American war.

If you don't like it, then tell them to increase spending.

We don't need to increase spending as much as aggressive enforcement. If we establish a no entry zone patrolled with attack helicopters and covered with land mines where anyone encountered is shot on sight that would certainly decrese illegal entry.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Drones coming to a Cartel near you soon.
Could be the first fully automated boder patrol agents coming in the future. Aerial drones are only the first steps, next comes ground robots that pursue immigrant groups on the ground until drones can come to monitor or real people get there.

Then they give them guns.........

Then comes


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Old 09-30-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Give it time. The availability of drugs is much higher than underage prostitutes. Also the consequences are much high for underage sex than for drugs. If the two were suddenly equalized you would see the market for highschool sex slaves explode. Don't doubt it for a second. And Mexican cartels would be more than happy to supply.

It would be a little hard for gangs of a maybe a few thousand people to start kidnapping people in the tens or hundred thousands to supply the US with all these sex slaves and less profitable too.

Think about. In the space you can smuggle a human that might earn $60,000 a year (which I just made up and probably that is an unrealistically high estimate), you can smuggle at least ten kilos of cocaine which can be sold wholesale for AT LEAST $10,000 profit a piece. Higher for heroin.

There is simply not the same market nor profit margin. Especially when you can already find prostitutes (some of them indeed underage) relatively easily now. They would need to flood the market with a bunch of prostitutes that would have to compete with American prostitutes at rates that simply wouldn't be as profitable.

My point is that you ne3ver win by capitulating just to reduce your opponent's revenue. Criminals who value money over everything else (morals, law, good of society) will always find a way to make money by catoring to the lowest most depraved vice necessary to make that money.
Those proposing legalizing drugs don't even advocate legalizing all drugs. If you left any drug illegal then the revenue would just shift to that drug. Though demand for harder drugs might be a small part of the pie now, given time it would grow and we would be right back where we are now with the drug cartels making billions.

Well, drugs should be legal. Making drugs illegal has caused a lot more problems than them being legal. The War on Drugs should have never been declared nor fought in the first place.

And legalizing drugs would take out a HUGE portion of their income. Yes, they are involved in other profitable crimes as well, but drug dealing is their main source of income and they make billions. Billions which they use to only become more powerful. Some cartels have even hired former special forces operatives from around the world to train their enforcers in weapons handling, urban warfare, resistance to torture, and assassination and they train them on ranches in northern Mexico. Your average street pimp does not have that kind of money. Heidi Fleiss didn't have that kind of money. Bank robbers don't have that kind of money. Only drug cartels do.

Secure the border, enact swift death penalty laws for drug dealing, and exile drug users on their second offense.

There is a country called Iran that sounds up your ally. It has the exact same policy towards drugs as you do. Unfortunately they also have the highest rate for heroin addiction as well. So, not only is it draconian, it doesn't work either. But that seems to be the conservative mantra.
My text is in bold.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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We don't need to increase spending as much as aggressive enforcement. If we establish a no entry zone patrolled with attack helicopters and covered with land mines where anyone encountered is shot on sight that would certainly decrese illegal entry.
Just wait until some American hikers get lost on a trail in Arizona...
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Rogerbacon, that's hyperbole what you are saying. There will never be the demand for underage sex like there are for drugs
Let's hope we never find out.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Just wait until some American hikers get lost on a trail in Arizona...

Um...yeah....it would have to be kind of well posted
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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And when they turn to other revenue streams, such as human trafficing, then we only need ot legalize child prostitution to take that revenue away. Brilliant! Let's show them we can get as low and depraved as they are.

Uuuh; that debate has already been lost, we're merely discussing to what degree the depravity should be legislated now.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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We don't need to increase spending as much as aggressive enforcement. If we establish a no entry zone patrolled with attack helicopters and covered with land mines where anyone encountered is shot on sight that would certainly decrese illegal entry.
Oh yeah that may do it. However with huge posted signs all over the place, i mean huge signs, so that people know the score.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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I gotta agree, legalizing won't cause drug lords to give up their occupation and become upstanding law-abiding citizens. They need to be treated like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban...killed. If I were pres, I'd put 100,000 troops on the border and have dozens of Predator drones in the sky ready to bomb the you know what out of drug smugglers.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I gotta agree, legalizing won't cause drug lords to give up their occupation and become upstanding law-abiding citizens. They need to be treated like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban...killed. If I were pres, I'd put 100,000 troops on the border and have dozens of Predator drones in the sky ready to bomb the you know what out of drug smugglers.
The problem is that we don't have 100,000 troops ... and we would need alot more than that. In 1916 we tried with the entire active duty US Army plus the entire National Guard (the only units not sent to the border were Coastal Artillery) and that wasent enough. Figuring in modern technology we would need a minimum of 300,000.
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