Is the Hip-Hop culture responsible for Crime? (cocaine, drugs, brainwash)

[Rita Mordio]

Originally Posted by TheHarvester

Full agreement. All human beings lived in perfect harmony, no violence or crime, until hip-hop was created.

Crime started sometime in the 1980s. It's a fact!

(p.s. --- Will the person who started this thread please explain the logic behind asking such a lame question? And will all the anti-hip-hop posters please provide one piece of evidence to support your ridiculous claims of cause and effect?)

You could probably tear this apart, but Granby Theatre in Norfolk was closed in March after a shooting occured during a "hip hop" event.

Here's the original story
Here's the Aftermath

[TheHarvester]

Originally Posted by macmeal

...isn't it interesting that educational television, which can feature environmental shows, travel programs, and all sorts of shows about all sorts of things, is regarded as a "wonderful tool in learning, able to reach out and inspire and motivate kids who would never pick up a book into an appreciation for knowledge"......but TV shows featuring violence, misogyny, near-nudity, murder, vulgarity, and all sorts of sexual misadventures, have "no demonstrable effect on kids---no harmful effects have ever been shown when a kid watches this, and we don't know that it has ever influenced a single viewer...it's just entertainment"....Quite a stretch, it seems to me.

Everyone should read the above quote. Then, when someone has an intelligent response, I'd like to read it. I'm stumped. It's a very good point and an intriguing challenge to the "conventional wisdom."

My initial response is that it's an example of how we pick and choose "evidence" to suit our needs and desires. We don't really want to know anything that contradicts our preconceptions and we don't want anyone to rock the boat. We want it both ways. We want to eat more and lose weight while refusing to exercise, we want to make more money while working fewer hours, we want to be smarter without studying --- would these human tendencies explain the contradiction in the attitudes we have about different types of TV programming? I have no idea, it's just a guess.

[TheHarvester]

Originally Posted by Kuharai

You could probably tear this apart, but Granby Theatre in Norfolk was closed in March after a shooting occured during a "hip hop" event.

Not sure what you mean by "tear this apart" --- but it can be deconstructed and put into context, if that's what you mean.

There are countless examples like the one in that article. What does it mean? That's where it's useful to provide context rather than leaping to the simplistic conclusion that hip-hop caused the violence. You have to step back from that and look at the bigger picture. At best you can say "a hip-hop event brought together people, some of whom had violent tendencies, and some of those people acted violently." There's a high correlation between the subculture and the violence, but the music isn't causing the violence. The music and violence are both phenomena arising from deeper, more complex contexts. Seeking simplistic cause-effect relationships is satisfying for purposes of screaming on talk radio shows, but it doesn't help solve the underlying problems that lead to the violence. I listen to violent music yet I've only murdered a few dozen people. (just kidding! seven people at most... kidding again! )

[Alanboy395]

crime caused hip-hop, hip-hop did not cause crime.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility anyway? 50 cent's lyrics didnt make you go rob that old lady. It was your feet and hands (and gun) at work.

[TheHarvester]

Originally Posted by Alanboy395

crime caused hip-hop...

I like hip-hop. Does that mean I like crime?

Gotta love these "X causes Y" statements. How on earth does crime lead to a form of music? If I steal a toaster oven, will it cause me to invent a new subculture? Maybe I should try it and see what happens...

[CTownNative]

Originally Posted by TheHarvester

I like hip-hop. Does that mean I like crime?

Gotta love these "X causes Y" statements. How on earth does crime lead to a form of music? If I steal a toaster oven, will it cause me to invent a new subculture? Maybe I should try it and see what happens...

LOL thanks for making me a laugh on a down day.

[JoeP]

No,Hip Hop doesn't have a negative influence on American culture.Hip Hop doesn't commit crimes,people do.

Those are two totally different statements.

Something like music most definitely can have a positive or negative influence.

That doesn't mean it directly is the influence leading to violence.

Linking the two is illogical and those in the hip hop industry that are most definitely a negative influence can still rightly say "how can you blame us? We didn't pull the trigger?"

And so they can be unaccountable for their recordings. So the question isn't "does it cause crime?"

The question is, is it a positive or negative influence.

The vast majority is not positive and is negative. And it's ALL to make $$$ and who cares about the kids that mimic the video lifestyle.

This happened before. The big hair bands of the 80's certainly, for the most part, had a negative influence on kids. And the evolution leads to more outlandish behavior and videos and of course selling $ex.

[Zippy7fo]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Those are two totally different statements.

Something like music most definitely can have a positive or negative influence.

That doesn't mean it directly is the influence leading to violence.

Linking the two is illogical and those in the hip hop industry that are most definitely a negative influence can still rightly say "how can you blame us? We didn't pull the trigger?"

And so they can be unaccountable for their recordings. So the question isn't "does it cause crime?"

The question is, is it a positive or negative influence.

The vast majority is not positive and is negative. And it's ALL to make $$$ and who cares about the kids that mimic the video lifestyle.

This happened before. The big hair bands of the 80's certainly, for the most part, had a negative influence on kids. And the evolution leads to more outlandish behavior and videos and of course selling $ex.

Blah Blah Blah Blah, they said the same thing about Elvis Pressley, Jimi Hendrix and the list goes on and on and on. When doe it stop???? I grew up on hip-hop and it never started out being gangster. It was 1987 and NWA came out witht his wild album that was politcally savy and raw but misunderstood by whites and the mass at large and bred gangsterism on records. It was jaw dropping and people went nuts trying to buy it and ever since then the industry has encouraged or I shall say manipulated by only supporting acts who could fit that image because the record sales were so good/profitable. Their are tons of hip-hop artists who are positive/political who get lumped in because they do hip-hop and its unfortunate that you have so many people trying to cast entire group under one umbrella based on the actions of a few puppets. Most of the gangster rappers are married with families, living in subrubia, they ain't even living that life.

[Freak]

I can't get over some of the things hip hop has done, such as make it "cool" to wear your pants down. What? Wasn't seeing one's boxers laughable five years ago? Suddenly it's "hip". Disgusting.

I long for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, and the sad thing is I wasn't even alive when they were on top of the world (I came in 1989).

[The_Fairfaxian]

I'd rather have society to blame the culture than an entire race.

And after seeing what the "hip-hop culture" has done to who were my family, friends, and childhood, and how it's preventing me from have an active livelihood as a 20-year-old college student, this culture, as far as I am concerned, could rot in hell. And honesty, if this planet wasn't caught up in it so much, the rap culture and all of those who helped promote it, from the music executives to the puniest of gangster rappers, should be charged with crimes against humanity.