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Old 10-03-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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Oh, come on! You think this is something new? Ever heard of a certified nurse midwife? THey've been around since, oh, 1925. You may do a search. See also below. And what is "pathetic" about it?





Obviously, you don't know squat about nurse practitioner education. See this link:
Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) | Academics at the University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing

The DNP focuses on evaluating evidence and using evidence in clinical decision-making, leadership skills, implementing viable clinical innovations, and through applying research and theoretical understanding to plan and make change in practice.

And much more. Read the link.
I don't know why you're quoting me, I know what a NP is, whereas other posters don't
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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If I am paying to see a real DOCTOR then I want to see a DOCTOR, not some glorified nurse who read a few more chapters than their counterparts.
If you are in a bad car accident in some rural area, it will be a nurse anesthetist who stabilizes your airway and provides anesthesia for your emergent life saving surgery.

However if you prefer to wait for a real DOCTOR, that is your right. Good luck.
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Nurse anesthetists have been providing anesthesia care to patients in the United States for nearly 150 years. CRNAs administer approximately 30 million anesthetics to patients in the United States each year.
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CRNAs are anesthesia professionals who safely administer approximately 30 million anesthetics to patients each year in the United States, according to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists' (AANA) 2007 Practice Profile Survey.
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CRNAs are the primary anesthesia providers in rural America, enabling healthcare facilities in these medically underserved areas to offer obstetrical, surgical, and trauma stabilization services. In some states, CRNAs are the sole providers in nearly 100 percent of the rural hospitals.
** Read First, CRNA FAQ ** - Nursing for Nurses
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Old 10-03-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Between Seattle and Portland
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I love my Nurse Practitioner and I've been impressed with several Physician Assistants who treated me. That's not the issue that I am trying to point out with this thread and the linked article.

None of those caregivers identified themselves as "Doctor."

When I make an appointment to see THE DOCTOR, I expect to see a MEDICAL doctor. If someone comes in the room and announces that he/she is a doctor, the implication is that I, the patient, expect him/her to be a medical doctor.

This could be construed as intentionally misleading the patient and, last time I heard, impersonating a medical doctor is a crime. There's all sorts of legal ramifications to the use of the title by nurses and others who have earned their doctorates but who are NOT medical doctors.

In the hospital settling, this type of representation is even more troubling with its implications and possible repercussions.
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Old 10-03-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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If I am paying to see a real DOCTOR then I want to see a DOCTOR, not some glorified nurse who read a few more chapters than their counterparts.
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I love my Nurse Practitioner and I've been impressed with several Physician Assistants who treated me. That's not the issue that I am trying to point out with this thread and the linked article.

None of those caregivers identified themselves as "Doctor."

When I make an appointment to see THE DOCTOR, I expect to see a MEDICAL doctor. If someone comes in the room and announces that he/she is a doctor, the implication is that I, the patient, expect him/her to be a medical doctor.

This could be construed as intentionally misleading the patient and, last time I heard, impersonating a medical doctor is a crime. There's all sorts of legal ramifications to the use of the title by nurses and others who have earned their doctorates but who are NOT medical doctors.

In the hospital settling, this type of representation is even more troubling with its implications and possible repercussions.
PAs and FNPs operate under a doctors supervision, even if the doctor isnt there. they can open their own offices, but they need to be associated with a doctor to run the practice. PAs, and FNPs cannot do major surgery, but they can do the same things that any family practitioner can do, including referring patients to specialists as needed, and prescribing medications. they have much of the same training that doctors have. i have no problems with FNPs and PAs for routine medical care.
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't know why you're quoting me, I know what a NP is, whereas other posters don't
Sorry. My computer screwed up and I had to rewrite the post. I was gong to say, "See below" in my first response, directing the previous poster to your response. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I love my Nurse Practitioner and I've been impressed with several Physician Assistants who treated me. That's not the issue that I am trying to point out with this thread and the linked article.

None of those caregivers identified themselves as "Doctor."

When I make an appointment to see THE DOCTOR, I expect to see a MEDICAL doctor. If someone comes in the room and announces that he/she is a doctor, the implication is that I, the patient, expect him/her to be a medical doctor.

This could be construed as intentionally misleading the patient and, last time I heard, impersonating a medical doctor is a crime. There's all sorts of legal ramifications to the use of the title by nurses and others who have earned their doctorates but who are NOT medical doctors.

In the hospital settling, this type of representation is even more troubling with its implications and possible repercussions.
I don't think any nurses will mislead you. If they have a PhD or a doctorate, they can call themselves "doctor". They would not be impersonating anyone. In my experience, the office staff is very clear about who they schedule patients with and what the background of the practitioner is, e.g. nurse practitioner, PA, MD, etc.
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Funny thing about the title "Doctor" ascribed to a physician. The origin of the title physician was one who gave an emetic to induce vomiting (*physic). Definitely bad marketing imagery. The original meaning for the honorable title of doctor** was one who TAUGHT. (Root "doc" as found in docent, docile, document). So physicians (puke merchants) took upon themselves the title "Doctor" (honored teacher), while not teaching medicine to the masses (only the elite / elect).
:-)
[*physic - a medicine or drug, esp a cathartic or purge]
[**doctor - from Latin: teacher, from docēre to teach]
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Old 10-03-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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Oh, come on! You think this is something new? Ever heard of a certified nurse midwife? THey've been around since, oh, 1925. You may do a search. See also below. And what is "pathetic" about it?





Obviously, you don't know squat about nurse practitioner education. See this link:
Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) | Academics at the University of Pittsburgh School of Nursing

The DNP focuses on evaluating evidence and using evidence in clinical decision-making, leadership skills, implementing viable clinical innovations, and through applying research and theoretical understanding to plan and make change in practice.

And much more. Read the link.
Right. I know plenty about nurse practitioners and their education, as I employ a few and a PA. You are full of crap.

The training that a PA or a NP undergoes is far less in duration and less rigorous than a MD training with residency. A NP or PA is a good physician extender, but is not a substitute for an MD, much as a Mustang is not a substitute for a Ferrari.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about, with all due respect from someone who does, to someone who does not.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Right. I know plenty about nurse practitioners and their education, as I employ a few and a PA. You are full of crap.

The training that a PA or a NP undergoes is far less in duration and less rigorous than a MD training with residency. A NP or PA is a good physician extender, but is not a substitute for an MD, much as a Mustang is not a substitute for a Ferrari.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about, with all due respect from someone who does, to someone who does not.
Well, here is your statement:

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Additionally, nurses are trained in the concept of "care plans", which implement orders, and not in differential diagnoses, as MDs are trained.
That is simply not true of nurse practitioner programs, and if you looked at the educational requirements of nurse practitioners you'd know that.

As for the rest, I never said a NP or a PA is a substitute for an MD, so DO NOT put words in my mouth, thank you very much.
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