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... despite the fact that i found the writers criticisms to be obviously neoconservative and scratched my head at how he could disagree with Dr. Paul's consistent lean towards constitutional liberty as is demonstrated by his voting record, i got stuck on the writers position on the war in Iraq and its "legality" in terms of the propagated "intelligence" which it relied upon.
He wrote about How Paul voted against going into Iraq to remove Hussein, and he referred to Iraq's alleged associations with terrorist organization ... and the whole time i read his explanations i was left wondering how Hussein got into power to being with, and then i started thinking about how Al Qaeda was established to being with.
Isn't it true that U.S.A intelligence agencies are in fact responsible for setting up at least some of the terrorist groups and corrupt regimes that we are now in the business of using as a justified reason for attacking other nations through various forms of otherwise illegal military incursions, all in the name of the war on terror?
Does anybody else ever ask these questions, or am i just way off in left field here? Isn't that the very definition of subversive action? And is that really the American way? Should it be?
If you go back far enough, you will find that the USA put all of these folks that we can't stand in power. Been doing it for many years. It started before the Shah.
Every day I thank Charley Wilson for this quagmire in Afghanistan.
If we did not learn anything from the Soviet's, we must be there for the money.
I'm not sure President Reagan really knew all that was going on in the Iran-Contra fiasco. The CIA does what it damn well pleases. If Ron Paul were by some miracle to get elected, the CIA would ignore him.
If you go back far enough, you will find that the USA put all of these folks that we can't stand in power. Been doing it for many years. It started before the Shah.
Every day I thank Charley Wilson for this quagmire in Afghanistan.
If we did not learn anything from the Soviet's, we must be there for the money.
I'm not sure President Reagan really knew all that was going on in the Iran-Contra fiasco. The CIA does what it damn well pleases. If Ron Paul were by some miracle to get elected, the CIA would ignore him.
I just think that its important we realize that what we are dealing with is something that has been orchestrated in almost every regard by the United States Government. I just don't understand why people cant connect the dots ... It couldn't be more obvious ...The audacity of it all is shocking ... !
And even if there is no military industrial complex/global banking conspiracy, isn't it obvious that our actions in the past are at least in some large part responsible for the challenges we are facing today? And what is the ultimate outcome of the foreign policy that we have today? To what extent are people willing to sacrifice their liberties and inalienable rights for the illusion of security? If the ones who are securing us are the ones responsible for setting up the ones who are supposed to be threatening us to begin with, then who will protect us from them? Its the fox guarding the hen house ...
I just think that its important we realize that what we are dealing with is something that has been orchestrated in almost every regard by the United States Government. I just don't understand why people cant connect the dots ... It couldn't be more obvious ...The audacity of it all is shocking ... !
And even if there is no military industrial complex/global banking conspiracy, isn't it obvious that our actions in the past are at least in some large part responsible for the challenges we are facing today? And what is the ultimate outcome of the foreign policy that we have today? To what extent are people willing to sacrifice their liberties and inalienable rights for the illusion of security? If the ones who are securing us are the ones responsible for setting up the ones who are supposed to be threatening us to begin with, then who will protect us from them? Its the fox guarding the hen house ...
Well i can see that very few people are willing to discuss this topic ... Just as i thought. Oh well ... Keep drinking the kool-aid.
I agree with Ron Paul, but we didn't put Saddam Hussain in power. During the cold war Saddam was a soviet client state. He and his men were trained in the Soviet Union, and used soviet military tactics and weapons. "Baath" party means the socialist party. He basically got into power by virtue of his tikrit connections and his ruthlessness, but he was a Soviet puppet.
We did provide some support for him when he fought Iran, but that was because Iran had just taken our embassy hostage, blew up the barracks in Beirut, and was sponsering terror like in the Achielie Laural incident. So we were ok with them keeping Iran in check for a decade with their war.
But it's a stretch to say we created them.
The Osama Bin Laden analogy isn't perfet either, but it's a bit closer.
In general though, I agree with Paul, we need to mind our own business more because we end up causing more problems then we solve.
Well i can see that very few people are willing to discuss this topic ... Just as i thought. Oh well ... Keep drinking the kool-aid.
Wow, you waited a whole 15 minutes before going crazy that anyone who won't respond in that time frame is part of the "vast conspiracy"
That is the greatest compliment you can give anyone, that they are not so much of a loser to be sitting around all day constantly hitting refresh for the next thread to be bolded as having a response. Yeah, sorry some people have lives and things to do...instead of arguing with a tin foil hatter. Hehe.
Wow, you waited a whole 15 minutes before going crazy that anyone who won't respond in that time frame is part of the "vast conspiracy"
That is the greatest compliment you can give anyone, that they are not so much of a loser to be sitting around all day constantly hitting refresh for the next thread to be bolded as having a response. Yeah, sorry some people have lives and things to do...instead of arguing with a tin foil hatter. Hehe.
15 minutes? Vast conspiracy? Are you serious? Why don't you pay more attention to the facts ...
I posted this thread early this morning, and i said nothing in the OP or in my more recent post in this thread about "vast conspiracy", so it is obvious what you motivation is for posted in this thread.
Next? Anyone who actually has any thoughts on the OP?
I agree with Ron Paul, but we didn't put Saddam Hussain in power. During the cold war Saddam was a soviet client state. He and his men were trained in the Soviet Union, and used soviet military tactics and weapons. "Baath" party means the socialist party. He basically got into power by virtue of his tikrit connections and his ruthlessness, but he was a Soviet puppet.
We did provide some support for him when he fought Iran, but that was because Iran had just taken our embassy hostage, blew up the barracks in Beirut, and was sponsering terror like in the Achielie Laural incident. So we were ok with them keeping Iran in check for a decade with their war.
But it's a stretch to say we created them.
There are many who would beg to disagree ... Even if his rise to power was not intended by US government agencies, it was actions of the us government that provided the opportunity for it.
15 minutes? Vast conspiracy? Are you serious? Why don't you pay more attention to the facts ...
I posted this thread early this morning, and i said nothing in the OP or in my more recent post in this thread about "vast conspiracy", so it is obvious what you motivation is for posted in this thread.
Next? Anyone who actually has any thoughts on the OP?
So what is my "motivation is for posted in this thread"?
LoL
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