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Old 10-05-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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I had no idea you were this dense, so I'll try just one more time. If wealth consisted only of natural resources then a PC would sell for around $10 bucks tops. Bill Gates CREATED wealth by conceiving and developing an idea and then marketing it. One creates wealth by satisfying a need for a good or service. The value of the operating system, software, hardware, and everything that goes in to making a PC and selling it EXCEEDS the value of the underlying physical commodities that make up an PC and everything that goes in to making one. That excess value, above and beyond the costs of manufacture and sales, is created wealth.

A diamond ring is worth more than the stone and metal used for the setting.
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Old 10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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There can be no economy without redistribution. Argue against that, if you can and show me how it works.
We should draw a big line between redistribution for the benefit of both parties involved (like when you willingly buy a product made by a craftsman), and Government redistribution where one party is forced to give up a large chunk of his income so that Government can spend that money however it wishes.

My family doesn't benefit one iota from multiple unwinnable foreign wars, pork, keeping the elite political class uber-wealthy, payback to already-rich Big Businesses for campaign contributions, feeding the massive Big Government bureaucracy, and growing Big Government ever-larger when its size has already crippled the economy.

And even though we pay through the nose for all this, we get NO SAY at all in how our money is spent. Most Americans do not support bankrupting ourselves for all these pointless wars, but Washington couldn't care less. Any politician who doesn't serve the Military-Industrial Complex is slandered in the media everyday and called "crazy" and "radical" (Ron Paul). And the sheeple never even notice they are being manipulated to support a Government that enslaves them.

Choosing between 2 clones who both serve corrupt Big Government is not a choice. We haven't had a "real" choice of President in the 50 years I've been alive.
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:12 PM
 
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Well if your are confused, perhaps read some Marx yourself. OK, do a Wiki or get some Cliff Notes.

Then take a look at all the Bolsheviks, scuse me, posters who constantly blather on about Wealth Redistribution (Asset Confiscation), Equality (Social Engineering), Harmful Language/Sensitivity/Hate Speech (State-Sanctioned Speech Control), and the ever-present Smear Jobs (calling Obama's critics 'Racist harks back to Soviet leaders calling their critics 'Decadent" or "Enemies of the State').

An objective person will easily see the connection.
There's no such thing as a truly objective person. And you and others like you are not even close.
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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Gee, maybe because every single Marxist society in history has been characterized by a colossal State that is all-encompassing and all-controlling.

Or did Tito, Honnecker, Mao, Castro, Ceausescu, Ulbricht, Zhivkov, and the Great Leader only show up at the office once or twice per year?
So simply because a person calls themselves a marxist, that makes it so?

Does that only apply to marxism?
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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So simply because a person calls themselves a marxist, that makes it so?

Does that only apply to marxism?
Many people call themselves Capitalist, does that make them so??
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Houston
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And even though we pay through the nose for all this, we get NO SAY at all in how our money is spent. Most Americans do not support bankrupting ourselves for all these pointless wars, but Washington couldn't care less. Any politician who doesn't serve the Military-Industrial Complex is slandered in the media everyday and called "crazy" and "radical" (Ron Paul). And the sheeple never even notice they are being manipulated to support a Government that enslaves them.

Choosing between 2 clones who both serve corrupt Big Government is not a choice. We haven't had a "real" choice of President in the 50 years I've been alive.
We had a choice in 1964.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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I am a little confused...

Since Marxist seems to the the right wing term du jour (RushGlenn must be using it more)... I'd like to know from the right wingers who use the term constantly, what is your definition of Marxist?

Are the people you call Marxists truly Marxists, or is it yet another convenient label to simply complex issues and positions in to what sounds like a clever retort?
there is nothing complex about marxist. all you need to know is that it does not lead to a free society!! the useful idiots dont understand this because they are idiots. nothing clever or complex!
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Many people call themselves Capitalist, does that make them so??
Just like people who call themselves righteous, just, and insist they are always right about everything all the time...the faultless.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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Many people call themselves Capitalist, does that make them so??
I don't see why not.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't see why not.
Well, Hitler was a Christian, because he called himself that. No?
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