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It's not about whether or not you are a flaming gay, or a person who wants his/her personal life to be just that, personal. It's about human nature, and human sexuality.
If it is considered unwise to let men and women share the same living and shower areas, it's also unwise, for the same reasons, to let gays, lesbians and bi-sexual people to do the same.
We aren't keeping the living quarters and showers for men and women separate, because of misogynistic tendencies of men, gender bigotry, or the ick factor women experience if they think a fellow soldier ogled them. We keep them separate because we do not want sexual relations and romances among the ranks of our soldiers within their units.
And this would be because......? An ancient belief that soldiers in the thick of battle should not have thoughts of anything other than the enemy in front of them.
That's all fine, we get it, it just doesn't track and never has, you've always had soldiers, sailors, airmen who've been married and had young families, being transported overseas to fight and they somehow all managed to remain focused on the job at hand regardless of the thoughts of loved ones left behind.
The most glaring example of a love triangle that was allowed to get out of hand was that 16" turret explosion on the old Iowa.
There are many armies around the world that have had members of both genders and they were forced through circumstances to "mix" at virtually every opportunity of daily living AND fighting. Russia fought off the Germans with high concentrations of females in their army and their air force and I'd bet my last dollar they ate slept, drank, bathed and perhaps even got intimate on occasion and yet it didn't seem to give the Germans the edge when they were faced with all those screaming soldiers of both genders coming at them with automatic weapons.
I'll save references to Vietnam and their female and male interaction along with their effectiveness as a unit for a later rebuttel.
Your viewpoint is skewed with your understandable but mistaken belief yours are the absolute best military and none others compete on any scale, that is just not so in consideration of the individual serviceperson. We're not talking technology or hardware here, we're talking people.
Once again, every NATO nation has had gays openly serving for a long time, without separate facilities and no glaring problems. Common sense and evidence therefore indicate that it's only an issue for Americans, and that's directly attributable to evangelical/fundie Christians.
And Islamic fundamentalists. I believe Iran claims to have zero gays, which is something many Americans want to say and believe as well.
If they have to share quarters then a normal soldier should be able to beat the crap out of a gay soldier without it being labeled a hate crime. Since he's one of the "boys", right? That's good to know, if the need ever arises...
If they have to share quarters then a normal soldier should be able to beat the crap out of a gay soldier without it being labeled a hate crime. Since he's one of the "boys", right? That's good to know, if the need ever arises...
What idiocy! Besides, you only make it clearer that the right wingers feel better when they have their head stuck in the sand, rather than being aware of the reality.
Science has also shown that homosexuality is a mental disorder, why do you believe some science but not other science?
No. It hasn't. Over 50 years of 'science' has shown that it is NOT a 'mental disorder'. Which is why it was removed from the DSM. It took protests from gay activists and changing social attiutudes to get the APA to review all the empirical data. Once they did review all the studies and literature, they couldn't justify keeping it in any longer. Other health organizations around the world and in the US had already recognised this, it just took the APA a little longer because of the group of old-school conservative and religiously biased practitioners who used to use all sorts of 'treatments' like castration, testicle implants, chemical castration, cliterectomies, electro-shock therapy, BT etc to try to "cure' something that wasn't a mental disorder in the first place.
You keep on making the same silly statements but you have yet to come up with anything to back up it up. Because you can't.
You have my sympathies for your lack of abilities to cope with people who are different to you.
Been in what? I think they should not serve in seperate barracks. I think they should serve in seperate brigades. Here comes the gay brigade, oh look the color guard is carried by the transgenders!
You also have my sympathy for your inability to cope with people who are different to you. There is a cure for it, but you really have to be motivated.
The way it has always been in the past, when unit commnader has 12 new soldiers checking into the barracks of his unit, he separates the men from the women.
With gays serving openly, and the same unit commander has 12 people checking in, he may end up with:
2 straight men
2 straight women
2 gay men
2 bisexual men
2 lesbians women
2 bisexual women
If the commander has three man rooms, who is he supposed to assign to which room, and not expect any problems?
If the straight men are fundamentalists or evangelicals, best to put them in a room by themselves because they may not have the capacity to cope with anyone different to them.
Everyone else will get along just fine together.
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