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Sounds like the Tea Party, just with a different set of demands.
Well, the difference (so far) is that the Tea Party has a clear agenda, clear & visible leadership, and has been effective at getting their people elected to offices where decisions & change can actually be made.
The "Occupy" protesters don't have a clear agenda/goals- Ie, what SPECIFIC changes do they want "Wall Street" to make? Redistributing their annual profits amongst all Americans making $50k & less per year? Capping salaries and doing away with merit bonus payouts for star performers? A casual dress code? A vow to stop contributing to campaigns and to fire their lobbyists? As outlandish as those sound to me, at least they would be nailing their "95 Thesis" to the NYSE's front door, right?
They don't have any visible leaders, nor do any individuals seem to be at the helm, rallying and organizing.
And "Wall Street" isn't going to change because the protesters can't make them hurt. So what if all these unemployed people stop contributing to IRA's? So what if they pull their $5,000 out of the stock market? So what?? It won't affect Wall Street one iota. However, marching on the Fed to stop funneling money into the financial markets would hurt SIGNIFICANTLY if it was acted upon. Lobbying Obama / Congress to pass more regulations on finance industry compensation would hurt. There are ways to get at this, but standing in front of the famous Wall Street bull statue heckling people coming out of the 6 train isn't very effective.
You might find it interesting that the "Occupy" phenomenon is actually just arriving in the US. It has been going on for a long time and in much larger masses than what we've seen here. Passions always seem to rise higher outside the USA. Israel is the most surprising player. They occupied a major park in Tel Aviv for 80 days until they were evicted two days ago.
The whole Arab Spring movement was a similar phenom too.
I'm with Turtle about Ron Paul. I don't agree with the whole Libertarian approach, but he's the only one not reading from the script. Jeez, ever see this?
They don't have any visible leaders, nor do any individuals seem to be at the helm, rallying and organizing.
I've read they specifically mean to be leaderless. Maybe since the problems with society and government are so obvious they need say nothing - just sit there until DC et al gets off their arses and starts fixing things. Personally, I think nothing will come of it.
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And "Wall Street" isn't going to change because the protesters ...
That's for sure.
"it is impossible to found a civilization on fear and hatred and cruelty. it would never endure."
"nonsense. you are under the impression that hate is more exhausting than love. why should it be? and if it were, what difference would that make? suppose we choose to wear ourselves out faster. suppose that we quicken the tempo of human life till men are senile at thirty. still what difference would it make? can you not understand that the death of the individual is not death? the party is immortal."
Well, the difference (so far) is that the Tea Party has a clear agenda, clear & visible leadership, and has been effective at getting their people elected to offices where decisions & change can actually be made.
The "Occupy" protesters don't have a clear agenda/goals- Ie, what SPECIFIC changes do they want "Wall Street" to make? Redistributing their annual profits amongst all Americans making $50k & less per year? Capping salaries and doing away with merit bonus payouts for star performers? A casual dress code? A vow to stop contributing to campaigns and to fire their lobbyists? As outlandish as those sound to me, at least they would be nailing their "95 Thesis" to the NYSE's front door, right?
They don't have any visible leaders, nor do any individuals seem to be at the helm, rallying and organizing.
And "Wall Street" isn't going to change because the protesters can't make them hurt. So what if all these unemployed people stop contributing to IRA's? So what if they pull their $5,000 out of the stock market? So what?? It won't affect Wall Street one iota. However, marching on the Fed to stop funneling money into the financial markets would hurt SIGNIFICANTLY if it was acted upon. Lobbying Obama / Congress to pass more regulations on finance industry compensation would hurt. There are ways to get at this, but standing in front of the famous Wall Street bull statue heckling people coming out of the 6 train isn't very effective.
they have said in nyc that they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with marxist socialism, they are discussing it in philly and in portland or
Or wittingly one of Dick Armey's / Koch brothers' stooges. Not sure I see a qualitative difference, other than it's one's own tribe or the enemy tribe. Go, my team! Boo, your team! etc. It's all pointless.
Well, the difference (so far) is that the Tea Party has a clear agenda, clear & visible leadership, and has been effective at getting their people elected to offices where decisions & change can actually be made.
The "Occupy" protesters don't have a clear agenda/goals- Ie, what SPECIFIC changes do they want "Wall Street" to make? Redistributing their annual profits amongst all Americans making $50k & less per year? Capping salaries and doing away with merit bonus payouts for star performers? A casual dress code? A vow to stop contributing to campaigns and to fire their lobbyists? As outlandish as those sound to me, at least they would be nailing their "95 Thesis" to the NYSE's front door, right?
They don't have any visible leaders, nor do any individuals seem to be at the helm, rallying and organizing.
And "Wall Street" isn't going to change because the protesters can't make them hurt. So what if all these unemployed people stop contributing to IRA's? So what if they pull their $5,000 out of the stock market? So what?? It won't affect Wall Street one iota. However, marching on the Fed to stop funneling money into the financial markets would hurt SIGNIFICANTLY if it was acted upon. Lobbying Obama / Congress to pass more regulations on finance industry compensation would hurt. There are ways to get at this, but standing in front of the famous Wall Street bull statue heckling people coming out of the 6 train isn't very effective.
Your absolutely wrong. They are probably 20 different TEA parties out there taking shots at each other. Just look at Bachman, she is the self proclaimed chairperson of the TEA party caucus in the house and how many members does she have? 15.... I clearly remember how mad some Tea baggers were at her for giving a response to President Obama's State of the Union address last year. Tea baggers have no clear agenda. They are a bunch of haters and biggots who will take this country hostage over their idiology. The whole DOW Jones turbulance started after they refused to compromise at all during the debt ceiling drama. The same debt ceiling that was raised 74 times since 1962 as routine.
Occupy Wall Street is intentionally leaderless. Their demand is simple, good paying jobs. The top 1%, wall street hedge fund manager types, have seen their income rise more than 200% in the last 10 years in the recession and for the rest of us the rise was virtually none. Our 401ks are in the gutter and we don't know when we can retire. I have nothing against the "rich". They are entitled to their money as they have earned it but if the rules are not fair and equal that's what I have a problem with.
I'll stop my rant but couldn't ley you get away with it.
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