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Old 10-08-2011, 06:11 PM
 
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For the zillionth time in order of supremacy;

Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution,

Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution,

Authorization for Use of Military ForceSeptember 18, 2001Public Law 107-40 [S. J. RES. 23],

ex Parte Quirin (Presidential power to designate individuals as enemy combatants),

Article 51 of the United Nations Charter,

and the Law of Armed Conflict,

So far in these discussions you have erroneously relied on due process rights of enemy combatants, be they lawful or otherwise, which arise upon their capture not before.
Well we somehow had kill orders on Bonnie and Clyde, also these terrorists killed were people who vowed they were at war against us which also satisfied most of our requirements to take them out.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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This is not on the field of battle
Who determines the field of battle? Where you think it should be, or where the "enemy" is?

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This is an ASSASINATION LIST of US citizens that can be targeted while they are sleeping, driving a car, eating diner.
Well that just hyperbolic silliness. I could see your argument (and your hysteria) if the CAPTURE AND KILL was operable in U.S. territory or some stable nation with functioning law enforcement. In those case the U.S. hasn't be shy is asking for third party detention and possible extradition. The whole fracking purpose of this finding is to get the maryland farmers who we cannot either arrest or anyone else for that matter.

Further, the CIA and the U.S. are prohibited, I repeat, prohibited from operating within the U.S. so are you suggesting that the F.B.I. is going to embark on a kill and capture mission? That would not be statutorily or Constitutionally permissible under ANY war powers act that any president could dream up.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.




Armed forces oath of enlistment.
That means you may have to kill Americans if they become our enemy.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Well we somehow had kill orders on Bonnie and Clyde, also these terrorists killed were people who vowed they were at war against us which also satisfied most of our requirements to take them out.
First of all, the shooting of Bonnie and Clyde was done under the auspice of the state of Texas and Louisiana which had formed a joint "task force" to apprehend the two. This was not a issue of federal jurisdiction.

Secondly, regardless of what you think happened based upon Robert Penn's depiction. According to the official accounts the law enforcement officers "called out to" Bonnie and Clyde who had been stopped by a decoy disabled vehicle. No one in the group was sure who began firing but once it began (see the New York shooting of Sean Bell) it didn't stop until both Bonnie and Clyde were dead. I can find no shoot to kill order issued by the governors of Texas or Louisiana.

Additionally please read at least once, Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)

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