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Old 10-07-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?

1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.

You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.

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mackinac
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?

1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.

You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.

Thanks
mackinac

If you have food, shelter and a place to sleep you are not poor. You are just less rich. Now if you are on the streets you are poor but the fast majority of people that are living on the streets have done sonthing by choice that put them there.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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If you have food, shelter and a place to sleep you are not poor. You are just less rich. Now if you are on the streets you are poor but the fast majority of people that are living on the streets have done sonthing by choice that put them there.
And I agree that many, if not the majority of poor people are there because of bad choices they made. So I take it that, in your view, people who have a job, no matter how low paying, are not poor?
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?

1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?

Both. You cannot paint with a wide brush.

There are those who would not have any luck were it not bad luck, those who are temporarily in tough times, and those who really are simple, too simple to ever be able to support themselves.

On the other hand there are a significant number who game the welfare system and use it for generations, pump babies out to get more money as single mothers, who sell their food stamp cards for drug/alcohol $$, repeat offender felons taking taxdollars for food/shelter, etc... .


3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? Yes. And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor." Couldn't say with the current economy. Likely a significantly larger proportion than prior to 2008.

4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family? I have done my best to help those family members when possible who were part of the "working poor" as well as friends who have been or still are in need. On the other hand, those who are the leaches on society I choose not to have contact with even though they are family by blood.

5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? Yes. If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do. I donate significantly to my local food pantry and to local church based soup kitchens. I donate to the local children's hospital which serves those families who cannot afford treatment. I do other things but that is enough for public knowledge on CD.

You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.

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mackinac
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
I think these above.......... WalkThe Line answered and I agree.

3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
Sure there is, my husband and I work all the time and we still struggle. At least people with a paycheck every two weeks have something to look forward to, try being self-employed in construction right now. Life owes us nothing and we always manage to pay the mortgage.
The portion of "working poor" would probably be the people between the middle class and poor.

4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
I give what I can and help were needed. I support many of my kids friends when they get in trouble or just need another mom to turn too. Give to a few charities Wounded Warriors is on my list and Disabled Vets just to give you some examples.

5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.
I can't answer this one so well, I happen to live in a resort area and if your really poor you would have a hard time sleeping in the park, come Nov., it gets awfully cold. We do have our share of tragedy and again I help and give if I can.

You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.
Since conservatives believe in God and it's against His rules to hate why would people think conservatives hate the poor.

Wonder if the welfare system was never created, if we would have poor people in America.
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Why do you assume they even have attitudes about the poor? For a great many people, they have the same feelings about disadvantaged citizens as they have for the street light on their corner. It's just always there.
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Old 10-08-2011, 03:57 AM
 
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How I feel about the poor?

I want to make them prosperous but have no inclination to help them if they aren't going to help themselves. I used to run a fuel delivery business hence the reason for my username and I had my share of low income families. If they were in need I was willing to extend interest free credit, reduced prices and in a few cases free fuel. On the other hand some got nothing, full price, COD. Didn't require the government to do it and those in need that deserved it got it.
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:02 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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I remember a slogan from years ago.........

'A hand up, not a hand out'.

Nothing wrong with that.

But 'hand out' won.
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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I'm pretty conservative...and poor. LOL! As a single mom, I was the poster child for "working poor". I worked two, sometimes three jobs. Did I make bad decisions? You bet ya! I was a teenaged mother...but I did choose to raise my child, and I never relied on "hand outs". I knew people that did, and they pissed me off. Do I hate POOR people? No. Do I hate leeches? Abso-freakin-lutely.

There is a HUGE difference in someone that fell on hard times, and someone that is raised in the system. I don't understand why liberals feel that every poor person is a sob story. That's just not the case. Sure, there are families that are struggling, honest, and hard working. But there are others that are taught if you do this, you get this...and if you do THIS, you get this. And they refuse to work. Because if they WORK, they lose their welfare. Wake up. Not everyone is innocent. And the percentage of people using your tax dollars to stay home and watch TV would astound you.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?

1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.

You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.

Thanks
mackinac

1, 2 and 3: Yes, there are people in all three categories and I don't think we know how many.

And all of my charitable contributions are local.

Actually, conservatives care more for the poor than liberals. We contribute our OWN money and resources. Liberals want to give OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY to the poor. There is a huge difference.
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