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Old 10-09-2011, 03:01 AM
 
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Electric cars often get plugged into walls where the energy is supplied by coal, oil and natural gas.
Is there another option? as i've got a whole house lit up by electricity..
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:51 AM
 
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How to stimulate the economy NOW

1. Stop all welfare payments
2. Stop all subsidies
3. Stop all foreign aid
4. Stop all government handouts
5. Privatize the Post Office
6. Privatize public schools
7. Do away with the EPA
8. Ban unions
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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How to stimulate the economy NOW

1. Stop all welfare payments
2. Stop all subsidies
3. Stop all foreign aid
4. Stop all government handouts
5. Privatize the Post Office
6. Privatize public schools
7. Do away with the EPA
8. Ban unions
Everything but #5.
The Post Office has a legal function, as well as the obvious delivery function.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:25 AM
 
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#8 ?

Unions have gotten fat in some cases. We could ban them, but exemptions would be made for the teacher's pets. We have anti-trust laws, but the insurance industry is exempt. That is why they influence health care laws and finance they way they do. If you want to ban unions because some suck, then you need a strict regime to regulate all people who unite for self interest.
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Old 10-09-2011, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The U.S. has approximately 260 million vehicles consuming petroleum fuel at a rate of roughly 19 million barrels / day... or 7 billion barrels / year.
The U.S. spent $337 billion in 2010 on oil imports.

Energy in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

71% of Petroleum is used for transportation
[] 19 million barrels / day consumption
BUT domestic production is only 6 million barrels per day
[] Import 13 million barrels /day (68%)

If the people of the United States wish to remain hostage to the automobile / petroleum / highway self-interest group, do nothing.

On the other hand, America could stimulate the economy in a most dramatic way - by transitioning to electric traction rail transportation.

Transitioning to rail for 80% of all trips, means an 80% reduction in the 71% of petroleum consumed for transportation.
(19 million x .71 = 13.5 million barrels / day)
Reduce by 80%
(13.5 x .20 = 2.7 million barrels / day)
Domestic production = 6 million barrels / day
(6 x .71 = 4.26 million barrels/day available for transportation)
Result : no need for imports - save BILLIONS

To provide alternate transportation for 80% of the current automobile / bus bound passengers, an estimated 280 thousand train cars will be needed. At 1.1 million per car, that's $308 billions. In addition to electrifying mainline tracks, we would also need to construct urban and interurban tracks (where they were torn out). Let's say we need about 87,000 miles. At $900k per mile, that comes to roughly $78.3 billions. Total : $387 billions roughly.

To put that in perspective, in 2010, we EXPORTED $337 billions for our "oil fix". That's money not spent on American jobs nor American products.

But how can we pay for it?

We must insist that government have NOTHING to do with it. If government is involved, odds are that it will be more wasteful, fraught with graft and corruption, bound with red tape and delayed to the max.

Solution is simple - instead of tax grants, loans or other tax payer funds, grant ZERO TAX LIABILITY for any company (and its employees) that is 100% involved in designing, manufacturing, building, installing, operating, and / or repairing electric traction rail transportation.

It doesn't take administrative overhead to account for "not taxing", it eliminates government paperwork. It simplifies management and operation. It will draw investors seeking tax exempt profits. It will attract workers, too. Expanding existing rail rights of way or reclaiming abandoned rail lines should speed up the process, too.

With 100% tax exemption, American railroad manufacturing will ramp up rapidly. And no company will be rewarded for its skill at manipulating its bookkeeping to keep the tax man at bay - no tax man! If a company wants to make the most profits, it will do so only by providing the best service to the most customers, not how well its upper management schmooze government regulations and grants.

Assuming that half of that $387 billions is used in hiring labor, at $30k / annum (tax exempt, no less), that would result in 6,450,000 new jobs.
Last week, it was estimated that 14 million people were out of work.

Of course, with 6.5 million new workers, all the support industries and auxiliary enterprises would be boosted, too. It will boost food service, house construction, consumer spending, etc., etc. That means more hiring, ditto, ditto.

America once built an electric traction rail transportation system, between 1890 - 1910, with far less technology. Sadly, GM and others, helped sabotage it. It may have made sense when the USA was queen of oil, but no longer.

http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm (broken link)
In 1921, GM lost $65 million, leading GM to conclude that the auto market was saturated, that those who desired cars already owned them, and that the only way to increase GM's sales and restore its profitability was by eliminating its principal rival: electric railways.
At the time, 90 percent of all trips were by rail, chiefly electric rail; only one in 10 Americans owned an automobile. There were 1,200 separate electric street and interurban railways, a thriving and profitable industry with 44,000 miles of track, 300,000 employees, 15 billion annual passengers, and $1 billion in income. Virtually every city and town in America of more than 2,500 people had its own electric rail system.
Do you think it's time for America to get back on track?
ASAP?

Can you cite one single rail transit system in the world that is self sufficient in that it doesn't rely on government subsidies and not running under a budget defecit? yeah....I know....but choo-choo trains are so very cool and "progressive".
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Old 10-09-2011, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Let the bush era tax cuts expire and use the money in a pool to help people from foreclosing on their houses, and give small businesses wanting to expand low interest loans.

So we should tax people more. Then we should use the money that was taken from these people and give it to other people to pay their mortgages. Of course it doesn't matter that the people receiving the free ride on their mortgages are more than likely exempt from federal income taxes.

You don't happen to be a liberal- do you??
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Pack 'em in, man.

'It's a deal so let's touch elbows': Health expert urges ban on shaking hands to prevent spread of flu | Mail Online
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Austin
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How to stimulate the economy NOW

Here is another (big government) way to stimulate the economy instantly and put unskilled people to work. First we hire 500,000 totally unskilled people to go out into neighborhoods and break windows. Then we hire 5,000,000 people and train them to replace broken windows. Then we hire another million people to work in window glass factories to meet the new demand for window glass....... and another 500,000 government workers to manage the paper work.

The unemployment problem is solved and we have put 7 million people back to work and those people will now be spending their hard earned glass breaking money. So the economy will boom.

Obama should love this plan... maybe it could get him reelected.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by Rick Roma View Post
So we should tax people more. Then we should use the money that was taken from these people and give it to other people to pay their mortgages. Of course it doesn't matter that the people receiving the free ride on their mortgages are more than likely exempt from federal income taxes.

You don't happen to be a liberal- do you??

Spending other people's money is always more fun than spending your own money....... what's so difficult to understand ????
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
The U.S. has approximately 260 million vehicles consuming petroleum fuel at a rate of roughly 19 million barrels / day... or 7 billion barrels / year.
The U.S. spent $337 billion in 2010 on oil imports.

Energy in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

71% of Petroleum is used for transportation
[] 19 million barrels / day consumption
BUT domestic production is only 6 million barrels per day
[] Import 13 million barrels /day (68%)

If the people of the United States wish to remain hostage to the automobile / petroleum / highway self-interest group, do nothing.

On the other hand, America could stimulate the economy in a most dramatic way - by transitioning to electric traction rail transportation.

Transitioning to rail for 80% of all trips, means an 80% reduction in the 71% of petroleum consumed for transportation.
(19 million x .71 = 13.5 million barrels / day)
Reduce by 80%
(13.5 x .20 = 2.7 million barrels / day)
Domestic production = 6 million barrels / day
(6 x .71 = 4.26 million barrels/day available for transportation)
Result : no need for imports - save BILLIONS

To provide alternate transportation for 80% of the current automobile / bus bound passengers, an estimated 280 thousand train cars will be needed. At 1.1 million per car, that's $308 billions. In addition to electrifying mainline tracks, we would also need to construct urban and interurban tracks (where they were torn out). Let's say we need about 87,000 miles. At $900k per mile, that comes to roughly $78.3 billions. Total : $387 billions roughly.

To put that in perspective, in 2010, we EXPORTED $337 billions for our "oil fix". That's money not spent on American jobs nor American products.

But how can we pay for it?

We must insist that government have NOTHING to do with it. If government is involved, odds are that it will be more wasteful, fraught with graft and corruption, bound with red tape and delayed to the max.

Solution is simple - instead of tax grants, loans or other tax payer funds, grant ZERO TAX LIABILITY for any company (and its employees) that is 100% involved in designing, manufacturing, building, installing, operating, and / or repairing electric traction rail transportation.

It doesn't take administrative overhead to account for "not taxing", it eliminates government paperwork. It simplifies management and operation. It will draw investors seeking tax exempt profits. It will attract workers, too. Expanding existing rail rights of way or reclaiming abandoned rail lines should speed up the process, too.

With 100% tax exemption, American railroad manufacturing will ramp up rapidly. And no company will be rewarded for its skill at manipulating its bookkeeping to keep the tax man at bay - no tax man! If a company wants to make the most profits, it will do so only by providing the best service to the most customers, not how well its upper management schmooze government regulations and grants.

Assuming that half of that $387 billions is used in hiring labor, at $30k / annum (tax exempt, no less), that would result in 6,450,000 new jobs.
Last week, it was estimated that 14 million people were out of work.

Of course, with 6.5 million new workers, all the support industries and auxiliary enterprises would be boosted, too. It will boost food service, house construction, consumer spending, etc., etc. That means more hiring, ditto, ditto.

America once built an electric traction rail transportation system, between 1890 - 1910, with far less technology. Sadly, GM and others, helped sabotage it. It may have made sense when the USA was queen of oil, but no longer.

http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm (broken link)
In 1921, GM lost $65 million, leading GM to conclude that the auto market was saturated, that those who desired cars already owned them, and that the only way to increase GM's sales and restore its profitability was by eliminating its principal rival: electric railways.
At the time, 90 percent of all trips were by rail, chiefly electric rail; only one in 10 Americans owned an automobile. There were 1,200 separate electric street and interurban railways, a thriving and profitable industry with 44,000 miles of track, 300,000 employees, 15 billion annual passengers, and $1 billion in income. Virtually every city and town in America of more than 2,500 people had its own electric rail system.
Do you think it's time for America to get back on track?
ASAP?
Ride a horse...buy a bike...stimulate the horse and bicycle industries.
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