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Old 10-08-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The U.S. has approximately 260 million vehicles consuming petroleum fuel at a rate of roughly 19 million barrels / day... or 7 billion barrels / year.
The U.S. spent $337 billion in 2010 on oil imports.

Energy in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

71% of Petroleum is used for transportation
[] 19 million barrels / day consumption
BUT domestic production is only 6 million barrels per day
[] Import 13 million barrels /day (68%)

If the people of the United States wish to remain hostage to the automobile / petroleum / highway self-interest group, do nothing.

On the other hand, America could stimulate the economy in a most dramatic way - by transitioning to electric traction rail transportation.

Transitioning to rail for 80% of all trips, means an 80% reduction in the 71% of petroleum consumed for transportation.
(19 million x .71 = 13.5 million barrels / day)
Reduce by 80%
(13.5 x .20 = 2.7 million barrels / day)
Domestic production = 6 million barrels / day
(6 x .71 = 4.26 million barrels/day available for transportation)
Result : no need for imports - save BILLIONS

To provide alternate transportation for 80% of the current automobile / bus bound passengers, an estimated 280 thousand train cars will be needed. At 1.1 million per car, that's $308 billions. In addition to electrifying mainline tracks, we would also need to construct urban and interurban tracks (where they were torn out). Let's say we need about 87,000 miles. At $900k per mile, that comes to roughly $78.3 billions. Total : $387 billions roughly.

To put that in perspective, in 2010, we EXPORTED $337 billions for our "oil fix". That's money not spent on American jobs nor American products.

But how can we pay for it?

We must insist that government have NOTHING to do with it. If government is involved, odds are that it will be more wasteful, fraught with graft and corruption, bound with red tape and delayed to the max.

Solution is simple - instead of tax grants, loans or other tax payer funds, grant ZERO TAX LIABILITY for any company (and its employees) that is 100% involved in designing, manufacturing, building, installing, operating, and / or repairing electric traction rail transportation.

It doesn't take administrative overhead to account for "not taxing", it eliminates government paperwork. It simplifies management and operation. It will draw investors seeking tax exempt profits. It will attract workers, too. Expanding existing rail rights of way or reclaiming abandoned rail lines should speed up the process, too.

With 100% tax exemption, American railroad manufacturing will ramp up rapidly. And no company will be rewarded for its skill at manipulating its bookkeeping to keep the tax man at bay - no tax man! If a company wants to make the most profits, it will do so only by providing the best service to the most customers, not how well its upper management schmooze government regulations and grants.

Assuming that half of that $387 billions is used in hiring labor, at $30k / annum (tax exempt, no less), that would result in 6,450,000 new jobs.
Last week, it was estimated that 14 million people were out of work.

Of course, with 6.5 million new workers, all the support industries and auxiliary enterprises would be boosted, too. It will boost food service, house construction, consumer spending, etc., etc. That means more hiring, ditto, ditto.

America once built an electric traction rail transportation system, between 1890 - 1910, with far less technology. Sadly, GM and others, helped sabotage it. It may have made sense when the USA was queen of oil, but no longer.

http://saveourwetlands.org/streetcar.htm (broken link)
In 1921, GM lost $65 million, leading GM to conclude that the auto market was saturated, that those who desired cars already owned them, and that the only way to increase GM's sales and restore its profitability was by eliminating its principal rival: electric railways.
At the time, 90 percent of all trips were by rail, chiefly electric rail; only one in 10 Americans owned an automobile. There were 1,200 separate electric street and interurban railways, a thriving and profitable industry with 44,000 miles of track, 300,000 employees, 15 billion annual passengers, and $1 billion in income. Virtually every city and town in America of more than 2,500 people had its own electric rail system.
Do you think it's time for America to get back on track?
ASAP?
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Old 10-08-2011, 03:57 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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I tried to get a loan for a new locomotive to drive to work, shopping, the park, zoo, Six Flags.

The bank turned me down.

Evil banks.

And the last I recall, those 'lectric trains are just powered gen-sets fueled by......diesel engines. Not to mention the lubricants, oils, plastics needed are all produced by....petroleum.

The Green mantra is all hype.

Besides, they'll just convert all those train cars into cattle cars to haul us all to the 'camps'.
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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Wait, am I silly, or doesn't America actually MAKE money on all that imported oil? I don't know about you, but I pay a rather high tax for my gas....
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:31 AM
 
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I'd be interested in an electric car as an around town second car however living downtown in an apartment theres nowhere to plug it in..
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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The Tax Foundation - State and Federal Treasuries "Profit" More from Gasoline Sales than U.S. Oil Industry

As a matter of fact, if you want to get into politics a touch, maybe this will explain why the government lets the oil companies earn such huge profits. Hehe...because they stand to make even more.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, so where's the inclusion of the cost all that rail and tearing up the streets to put it in?

That seems like a rather catastrophic oversight in the postulation.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The solutions are numerous. What is required to enable solutions, if for Congress to show faith in this Country. Businesses only shows that faith when people buy their products.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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There will be no recovery until obama is removed from the WH. There ate trillions of dollars ready to be invested, but no one will release their money with that clown in office. As soon as he is gone, money will flow, jobs will blossom.
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:05 AM
 
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There will be no recovery until obama is removed from the WH. There ate trillions of dollars ready to be invested, but no one will release their money with that clown in office. As soon as he is gone, money will flow, jobs will blossom.
I agree with you for the most part.

But what you leave out is that government needs to change it's attitudes toward businesses in general. They need to reduce the regulations tha choke companies and that keep them from expanding.

Doing away with the EPA would be a step in the right direction. Or at least doing away with most of their nonsensical regulations. Did you know that recently, the EPA has instituted a regulation on 'DUST' in the workplace?? True!! these idiots go around thinking of ways to make it harder for businees to thrive.

So, no matter WHO is in the white house....regualtions have to be done away with. An atmosphere needs to be created that is business friendly...THEN and only then, will you see jobs come back to America.

But without a doubt...that idiot who occupies the white house right now has to GO. He's almost as cluesless as Carter.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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I agree with you for the most part.

But what you leave out is that government needs to change it's attitudes toward businesses in general. They need to reduce the regulations tha choke companies and that keep them from expanding.

Doing away with the EPA would be a step in the right direction. Or at least doing away with most of their nonsensical regulations. Did you know that recently, the EPA has instituted a regulation on 'DUST' in the workplace?? True!! these idiots go around thinking of ways to make it harder for businees to thrive.

So, no matter WHO is in the white house....regualtions have to be done away with. An atmosphere needs to be created that is business friendly...THEN and only then, will you see jobs come back to America.

But without a doubt...that idiot who occupies the white house right now has to GO. He's almost as cluesless as Carter.
You are correct, I was assuming the government will undergo massive changes once the scum is removed. The people running now know that we the people are finally aware and won't stand for anymore politics as usual. The ones elected in 2010 got the message, I expect to see a far better effort from all new members of congress. They know they won't be around long if they don't serve the people....
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