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Old 10-09-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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The government was right to enforce prohibition because it was in the constitution, I direct your attention to the 18th amendment! The repeal of prohibition was accomplished with the 21st amendment, also in the constitution! For someone who is so interested in the Constitution, you don't know it very well.

Writing the words freedom and liberty are not coherent arguments.
The government amended the Constitution to include the 18th Amendment. Again, you're saying government can do no wrong because it determines what is right or wrong.

You're free to believe whatever you choose but in my opinion (which I am also free to hold) you appear way too eager to kneel at the altar of an all powerful government.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Yes, you said that all the cases did were not heard did not raise important constitutional issues and there are no few then 4 supreme court justices who have said on different occasions that they believed cases did raise important issues, but were denied cert. So there are at least 4 Supreme court justices who say you are wrong in claiming that all the cases denied cert did not raise important constitutional issues.

Furthermore why do you think they have cert in the first place.
It's the same as being on the losing side of a case argued before the court. There are as many as 4 justices in every decision, who thinks the decisions are wrong!, It doesn't make it so.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The government amended the Constitution to include the 18th Amendment. Again, you're saying government can do no wrong because it determines what is right or wrong.

You're free to believe whatever you choose but in my opinion (which I am also free to hold) you appear way too eager to kneel at the altar of an all powerful government.
Yikes do you have any idea how the constitution is amended? Hint, the government doesn't do it, we the people do.

Constitutional Amendments - How is the Constitution amended?

Who said the government can't do any wrong? They do wrong plenty wrong, thats when we vote the bums out. I simply stated the government acts constitutionally.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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Yikes do you have any idea how the constitution is amended? Hint, the government doesn't do it, we the people do.

Constitutional Amendments - How is the Constitution amended?

Who said the government can't do any wrong? They do wrong plenty wrong, thats when we vote the bums out. I simply stated the government acts constitutionally.
It has been proven the 16th Amendment was not ratified as required by 3/4 of the states; yet, our government declared it ratified anyway. You arguement remains full of holes.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: NC
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It has been proven the 16th Amendment was not ratified as required by 3/4 of the states; yet, our government declared it ratified anyway. You arguement remains full of holes.
No it hasn't been proven the 16th amendment was ratified by 42/48 states.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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It has been proven the 16th Amendment was not ratified as required by 3/4 of the states; yet, our government declared it ratified anyway. You arguement remains full of holes.
This is along the line, of Truther, Birther JFK nuttiness.

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"Surprisingly enough, this argument has a little something to it. When the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by state legislatures in the early twentieth century, the versions that some states voted on contained minor textual errors. Some of them neglected to capitalize the word "States," one had "income" in place of "incomes," one said "remuneration" instead of "enumeration," one said "levy" instead of "lay," and so on.

If the states didn't all vote on the same, identical text for the Sixteenth Amendment, can the amendment really be considered ratified? When Congress makes a law, the House and the Senate must vote on the same text. Similarly, if the states didn't vote on the right text, one could argue that they didn't ratify the amendment. No Sixteenth Amendment, no income tax.

However, it seems that the amendment really was ratified. The alleged defects in the ratification process were considered at the time of ratification in 1913. The Solicitor of the Department of State convincingly explained why the minor textual variations in the versions the states voted on should be disregarded."
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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No it hasn't been proven the 16th amendment was ratified by 42/48 states.
No, the wording was changed by all but two states in the process. That required a new vote that was never taken. The government ignored the changes made by the majority of the states and declared it ratified anyway.

Maybe we could steer this thread back on topic?
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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No, the wording was changed by all but two states in the process. That required a new vote that was never taken. The government ignored the changes made by the majority of the states and declared it ratified anyway.

Maybe we could steer this thread back on topic?
Not if it is certified as ratified by the secretary of state of each state.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:54 PM
 
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Yikes do you have any idea how the constitution is amended? Hint, the government doesn't do it, we the people do.

Constitutional Amendments - How is the Constitution amended?

Who said the government can't do any wrong? They do wrong plenty wrong, thats when we vote the bums out. I simply stated the government acts constitutionally.
Yes, I'm well aware of how the Constitution is amended. We the people have precious little voice in the issue.

As far as voting the bums out goes that is becoming increasingly more difficult with the power and money of special interests behind the politicians.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I have had fun here but there isn't much left to accomplish here. I have run into Ron Paul fans who really hate, not just politicians but the system of government that we have. They believe that Ron Paul and only Ron Paul can fix what is wrong with the country. They deny some parts of the constitution. Some don't know parts of it exist. It has been illuminating.
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