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Old 10-17-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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What I don't understand, is that if you remotely support these protests, you are labeled a liberal, unemployed or a socialist.
The republican party has created a mindless group of sheep, most of which are ironically barely considered middle-class, that actually believe all the ills of our economy can be placed on entitlement programs and the poor. The oldest trick in the book is to place the blame on those with no voice and no power. Until people actually wake up and realize we need to hold those that have a majority of the wealth and power in this country accountable and realize that these corporations have actually been proven to manipulate and cheat our economic system we will continue to run in circles.

Key words and phrases like "socialism" remind the mindless sheep to blame the poor and not those who actually control our economic policies.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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The republican party has created a mindless group of sheep, most of which are ironically barely considered middle-class, that actually believe all the ills of our economy can be placed on entitlement programs and the poor. The oldest trick in the book is to place the blame on those with no voice and no power. Until people actually wake up and realize we need to hold those that have a majority of the wealth and power in this country accountable and realize that these corporations have actually been proven to manipulate and cheat our economic system we will continue to run in circles.

Key words and phrases like "socialism" remind the mindless sheep to blame the poor and not those who actually control our economic policies.
no offense, but you are acting exactly like those replubicans you bash when you make sweeping generalizations like that.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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no offense, but you are acting exactly like those replubicans you bash when you make sweeping generalizations like that.
Of course I don't mean the entire republican party, just what has become the majority of it nowadays. It's not like much better can be said for the democratic party-they do much of the same but appeal to progressives.

I agree with a lot of republican principles as well as a lot of democratic which is why I don't believe in a two-party system. Republican politicians have been documented saying that they would rather the economy fail than Obama succeed. And I'm sure some democrats vote against anything conspired by republicans simply because it did not come from them. As I said, we are running in circles and having two political parties that cannot put their personal interests aside for the benefit of the majority can and will never work.

The sheep comment was mostly a reference to Fox News and how they have manipulated a mostly uneducated population.

Bipartisanism is destroying the country and republican/democrat debates have no place in these protests. We are all Americans and fighting for equality among all classes.

Trickle Down effect and the "job creators" theory are and always have been myths and it is now finally coming to light.

The facts are that the economy and the middle class have prospered most when the tax rates on the rich were higher. When the tax rates on the rich were the lowest under Bush, we created the fewest jobs per year (375,000) and the biggest deficit in recorded history while experiencing the 1st decline in the inflation adjusted income of the middle class. With higher taxes rates on the rich, President Clinton created the most jobs per year (2.9 million), increased middle class earnings and achieved the 1st deficit surplus in decades. That said, Americans in the southern states with lowest median incomes vote almost exclusively for Republican Presidents supporting the lowest possible tax rates on the rich.

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Old 10-17-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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The Occupy scene has swept this country in the last couple of weeks. Some cities have been more vibrant than others.
Not sure I would put the occupy movement and vibrant in the same sentence.


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Well, I think there's a widespread sentiment across the political spectrum that the billions of dollars of federal government bailout money went straight to the hands of those on Wall Street and ignored the rest of ordinary Americans.
In that case, why aren't they protesting in front of the White House and other government buildings in DC? Let's face it, the banks took freebies, and these protesters would too if they had freebies offered to them. Their anger is focused in the wrong direction; they should be protesting to those who gave it out, not those who received it. I just don't get it.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Not sure I would put the occupy movement and vibrant in the same sentence.




In that case, why aren't they protesting in front of the White House and other government buildings in DC? Let's face it, the banks took freebies, and these protesters would too if they had freebies offered to them. Their anger is focused in the wrong direction; they should be protesting to those who gave it out, not those who received it. I just don't get it.
I agree to an extent but that is exactly why many are protesting-the fact that the government is not holding anybody accountable so we the people will. The whole point is that corporations have our government by a stonghold and have way too much influence in politics. If the government won't do anything about it, it's up to the citizens to bring light to the situation. We have the power to hold banks and corporations accountable, maybe not directly but through our own consumerism habits. I myself have already closed my bank account at TD Bank and TD credit card and now bank completely with my credit union. It is extremely cheaper without the extra bank fees, and my interest rate on my card went from 20% to 9%.

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Old 10-17-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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Not sure I would put the occupy movement and vibrant in the same sentence.




In that case, why aren't they protesting in front of the White House and other government buildings in DC? Let's face it, the banks took freebies, and these protesters would too if they had freebies offered to them. Their anger is focused in the wrong direction; they should be protesting to those who gave it out, not those who received it. I just don't get it.
The ''bailout'' came in the forms of loans; these loans have been paid back with interest. The U.S. government made money on the loans. Obama bailed out Ford Motor; it too paid its loan back with interest. Consider something such as student loans as a form of a bailout...you can't pay for it up front and you want to improve your life? Here's a loan to improve your life; now these protesters don't want to pay for anything. Not bailing out banks, Ford etc. would have caused economic chaos...1 million jobs lost if Ford failed. Everyone wants a bailout for themselves now; hope they realize its a loan as well...
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:57 PM
 
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I agree to an extent but that is exactly why many are protesting-the fact that the government is not holding anybody accountable so we the people will. The whole point is that corporations have our government by a stonghold and have way too much influence in politics. If the government won't do anything about it, it's up to the citizens to bring light to the situation. We have the power to hold banks and corporations accountable, maybe not directly but through our own consumerism habits. I myself have already closed my bank account at TD Bank and TD credit card and now bank completely with my credit union. It is extremely cheaper without the extra bank fees, and my interest rate on my card went from 20% to 9%.
Politicians are not held accountable. Ducking complaining about the President is rooted in the liberal white PC mentality...they would never criticize a black president because they don't want to be racist, even though they're not-makes them too uncomfortable; again more ''self-centered'' decisions disguised as social do-gooding.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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I don't agree with what you say. When I talk to liberals these days they are not shy about complaining that Obama is not the President they hoped he would be, the disappointment is palpable and I know more than one Obama voter who say they would not mind if Mitt Romney became president. I don'k know if that means they would actually vote republican if Mitt were the nominee but the fact that the thought has crossed their mind is telling.

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Politicians are not held accountable. Ducking complaining about the President is rooted in the liberal white PC mentality...they would never criticize a black president because they don't want to be racist, even though they're not-makes them too uncomfortable; again more ''self-centered'' decisions disguised as social do-gooding.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Politicians are not held accountable. Ducking complaining about the President is rooted in the liberal white PC mentality...they would never criticize a black president because they don't want to be racist, even though they're not-makes them too uncomfortable; again more ''self-centered'' decisions disguised as social do-gooding.
This thread has gone way beyond off topic and what is with the right-ring and race?

I always forget the President is a "black president" until a right-winger comes along and reminds me that he's black and I'm suffering from "liberal guilt".

I guess its hard for you old-school righties to cope with the fact that many of us couldn't care less if the president is lime green and that it means absolutely nothing.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Politicians are not held accountable. Ducking complaining about the President is rooted in the liberal white PC mentality...they would never criticize a black president because they don't want to be racist, even though they're not-makes them too uncomfortable; again more ''self-centered'' decisions disguised as social do-gooding.
I agree that politicians are not held accountable often and they absolutely should be. There should also be term limits for every politician-no more career politicians. But I don't understand what you are saying-I have many problems with Obama namely the bailouts, him not withdrawing troops as fast as I'd like and actually sending troops to more countries while America is in a recession, his disappointing marijuana policy and him not being headstrong enough to take on Congress with what he wants done. And as the poster above stated, I rarely think about him being part-black. It is the right that is always bringing it up. Who cares? It's 2011.

But at the same time I feel that many are simply disgusted with the way bipartisanism has failed us as a nation and this has become most evident during Obama's term with the credit downgrading and congress blocking almost anything.

It became much bigger than just "blame who's in charge at the time". It is now, "Is having two polar opposite sides who each have their own obligations to corporations and who each would like to destroy the other side really beneficial to the general interests of our country"?
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