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Old 10-24-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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Answer. It does 2 things. It stops year round asking for donations at the workplace. Second. Public relations.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:14 PM
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I was the direct rep for the Combined Federal Campaign at Pearl Harbor. Working for COMNAVSURFPAC was outrageous. The admiral gave me the power to threaten every commanding officer at Pearl Harbor to meet their contribution goal of 100% OR ELSE. It sickened me to do this to the most outstanding officers I ever met. It's my opinion that the Admiral did receive monetary kickbacks for achieving his goal. Blackmail...pure and simple.
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Old 10-26-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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This is one of the perplexing conundrums that comes around every year, and I can't figure out what's behind it. It's about the United Way, and the strong-arm tactics employers use to force employees to contribute.

My employer is a large and typically cut-throat Big Business. It does NOTHING for charitable reasons, and the employees themselves are worked to death while losing more and more of their compensation every year in cost-shifting of benefits. The corporation is so tight with money that when it keeps people working 24 to 36 hours straight on a "plant emergency," it won't even subsidize meals (the managers generally pay for meals for the team out of their own pockets). In order to circumvent labor hour laws, we are "off the clock" (unpaid) for anything over regular hours--which is "legal" since we're "exempt employees."

Every year the United Way drive comes up, and employees are blackmailed into participating. If you don't participate at all, you WILL be laid off in the annual reviews, no matter WHAT your job level or performance (yes, it happened more than once). The higher up, the more money you are expected to contribute, and for those of us in our peak earning years, the amount is VERY painful. Especially when you have your own charities that you like to support directly, and you don't approve of the United Way.

My question is this (and I ask this to those who have INSIDER KNOWLEDGE): What does the employer (the Big Business) get out of the United Way Campaign? It is NOT just goodwill, since this corporation has none, and could care less how people view it. Is it a direct payment to the greedy CEO and his top-level executives? Is it simply a power play, that the Narcissistic executives get a power-kick from forcing employees to give up their very hard earned money? Or does it have something to do with the fact that the corporations get to charge the employees bi-weekly, while only handing money over to United Way once or twice a year (a tactic used by UPS to get large amounts of interest on money that belongs to clients?)?
If I were you I would seek employment elsewhere.
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Old 10-27-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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This is one of the perplexing conundrums that comes around every year, and I can't figure out what's behind it. It's about the United Way, and the strong-arm tactics employers use to force employees to contribute.

My employer is a large and typically cut-throat Big Business. It does NOTHING for charitable reasons, and the employees themselves are worked to death while losing more and more of their compensation every year in cost-shifting of benefits. The corporation is so tight with money that when it keeps people working 24 to 36 hours straight on a "plant emergency," it won't even subsidize meals (the managers generally pay for meals for the team out of their own pockets). In order to circumvent labor hour laws, we are "off the clock" (unpaid) for anything over regular hours--which is "legal" since we're "exempt employees."

Every year the United Way drive comes up, and employees are blackmailed into participating. If you don't participate at all, you WILL be laid off in the annual reviews, no matter WHAT your job level or performance (yes, it happened more than once). The higher up, the more money you are expected to contribute, and for those of us in our peak earning years, the amount is VERY painful. Especially when you have your own charities that you like to support directly, and you don't approve of the United Way.

My question is this (and I ask this to those who have INSIDER KNOWLEDGE): What does the employer (the Big Business) get out of the United Way Campaign? It is NOT just goodwill, since this corporation has none, and could care less how people view it. Is it a direct payment to the greedy CEO and his top-level executives? Is it simply a power play, that the Narcissistic executives get a power-kick from forcing employees to give up their very hard earned money? Or does it have something to do with the fact that the corporations get to charge the employees bi-weekly, while only handing money over to United Way once or twice a year (a tactic used by UPS to get large amounts of interest on money that belongs to clients?)?
The company I work for in conjunction with the Union does do a united way charity drive every year.

I can't speak to your place of employment, but there is no pressure at all.

If you do it or not it doesn't seem to matter as far as I can tell.

Heck, I don't even know who does or doesn't participate.

It is just not discussed and hopefully our Union would be on top of company punishing those who choose not to participate in the charity.
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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United Way buys gifts and trips to big shots at companies that have good donation percentages,
especially 100%. Many places, will even kick in a dollar for someone that says "no thanks" to get them there.
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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I was the direct rep for the Combined Federal Campaign at Pearl Harbor. Working for COMNAVSURFPAC was outrageous. The admiral gave me the power to threaten every commanding officer at Pearl Harbor to meet their contribution goal of 100% OR ELSE. It sickened me to do this to the most outstanding officers I ever met. It's my opinion that the Admiral did receive monetary kickbacks for achieving his goal. Blackmail...pure and simple.

I am retired military, I can honestly say that United way and Red Cross made a science of screwing over
every soldier possible and I pity the poor soul that didn't want to "be a team player" every year when CFC came around with their hand out. POW's got better treatment then they did
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I am skeptical of this claim because if you do work for a big corporation, as you claim, this would be grounds for harassment and there are laws against that.
Believe it. I worked for a large insurance company and it was quite clear that you either contribute or find another job. This first happened to me in my early 20's and it shocked me to learn what happens in real life.

The problem is that they never tell you that bluntly, so you would have a tough time proving harassment.
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Old 12-01-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh I gave when they first started doing that at my company.
Gullible and naive was I.

Then this scandal came out.
The CEO was making nearly $500,00 in salary (which was a lot back in the early 90's) and was skimming the books to wine and dine a girlfriend.

We got emails at work that we should continue to contribute to United Way because they were "all fixed" now.
Right. I still filled out the form and put it in the envelope and gave it to "the collector" but I put a big fat ZERO for donation amount and continued to do that each and every year because it was 100% MANDATORY at my company so they could get 100% participation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Aramony
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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In the larger companies that I worked with back in the day they really did try to guilt trip the s*** out of you into donating. In working for a smaller company now, we don't deal with the United Way.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:35 PM
 
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If someone from work comes around begging you to give to the United Way, and you ask yourself "Why does this smell so fishy?".

Google The names Oral Suer, William Aramony, Lori Villasor. You'll enjoy the reading and probably puke next time you see one of their commercials.
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