Has socialism ever been successful? Examples, please? (insurance, companies, abortion)

[seacreature99]

....which seems to be what is happening at the moment!

I do think greed at the top is one of the reasons the world economy is falling apart.

Just a few greedy people are hoarding all the wealth for themselves, leaving little for everyone else to spend, which in turn would keep the economy going. There is a finite amount of money in the world, the more one person has, the less there is for everyone else.

Originally Posted by Magritte25

I think the same could be said for greedy capitalist supporters. If they behave in a fair and ethical manner, the system could work. Once they become greedy, it falls apart because the people on the bottom get sick of being screwed over.

[GregW]

And screwed over we certainly are being. Concentrating all the wealth into the hands of one entity is the end game of all capitalism. One owner, one monopoly on everythiog, one corporation immortal.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by nep321

With all this Occupy Wall Street protesting going on, it seems that these people are advocating a more socialist government.
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Enlighten me.

Pleased to. Wherever you get the idea that "these people are advocating a more socialist government," is wrong. "These people" are upset that the nation is more and more in control of large corporations who buy influence to form laws to benefit themselves at the expense of average people, who have no such influence. They are also alarmed at the 30 year trend that is concentrating the nation's wealth into fewer hands.

It's wrong for you to define what other people stand for.

[geeoro]

Originally Posted by Kirdik

Corporate greed?

Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
Section 8
Social Security

You really believe that the list above has destroyed America?
The whole list above is a mere drop in the Ocean compared to the Tax breaks for the rich or the wars abroad or the aid given to other Countries (mainly for their oil etc) or the corporate greed and pay offs given by Govt to big corps and to govt by the lobbyists. or the huge bonuses given to the top parasites which means higher premiums... bank charges etc to the rest of America. The blind eye to illegal immigration so that big corps. can have cheap labour or the debt to China.... Pharmaceutical greed and the pharaceutical company greed and huge laws suites etc etc.
Get over your ant- socialism blindness and look at what is REALLY DESTROYING America............. Corporate greed and corruption!

[GregW]

geeoro - You see too clearly. Brace yourself for some severe flaming from the clowns that expect to benefit from the current schemes. They will say that the welfare class can vote themselves government benefits but fail to mention that the corporations and Wall Street gamblers are the most expensive welfare class we have.

Corporate socialism is working fine for our ruling class but not available to the rest of us.

[wade52]

It's been incredibly successful right here in the USA.

We have socialism for the wealthy and capitalism for the rest of us.

You can't argue with the results.



Nothing succeeds like success.

[minibrings]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

Well we Aussies/Kiwis certainly do not wish to be Americans.
But it is amusing that some Americans believe they should have the right because of their nationality to emigrate to Australia regardless if they do not have skills we need.
Hate Americans, hmm the word pity comes to mind at times.

Nope Americans do NOT think they have the right to emigrate to Oz.
However, the US has a special visa for Aussies, not kiwis., that allow them to work in the US.

Its kiwis who have the right to move to Oz. they should have to apply just like any other citizen of a third world country.

[EdwardA]

Socialism keeps on paying dividends in Venezuela.

Food shortages worry Venezuelans - CNN.com

During a recent visit to Guaicaipuro, a traditional market in Caracas, the Venezuelan capital, a fresh meat refrigerator sat empty at a grocery. Many consumers looking for beef, poultry or fish had to go home empty-handed.
The produce section looked well stocked with plenty of fruits and vegetables. But consumers shopping at Guaicaipuro complained that prices, even for basic products, had skyrocketed.
Alba Varela, a housewife and resident of Caracas, went to the market looking for cornmeal to prepare hallacas, a traditional Venezuelan dish, especially this time of the year.
"It's fundamental, because other than pork it's the main dish for us during December," Varela said. "It seems there's a shortage."

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by nep321

Many people are saying that the Scandanavian countries (i.e. Norway, Sweden, Finland) are more successful than the U.S., because of their socialist policies. I have explained this to my father, but he responds by saying that it will be short-term and won't last much longer than a decade or two. My father watches FOX News 24/7, listens to Rush Limbaugh and hates Obama.

Please explain to us all the advantages of being a small Nation-state and how we can get back to that "golden age."

[speakingtruth]

Originally Posted by donsabi

Cuba a socialist country ranks much higher in healthcare than the US which is ranked somewhere around 38th trailing some third world countries. If capitalism is so good why are American children going hungry, people dying for lack of medical care, and citizens who once worked and paid mortgage and taxes now homeless and without a job?

The only problem with socialism is greedy people. The odd thing it is greedy people are the ones who are destroying America.

You laid an epic fail of a post. Capitalism beats socialism every time. no socialist country has ever had sustained success like the US.

Your post also contradicts itself, once you know the facts of what you are alleging. For one, you give an example of the mortgages being paid by people that lost their homes. Well, the Community Reinvestment Act did much of that, to people too stupid or immature or ignorant to not over-extend their own finances and bought too big a place, beyond their means. The Communty Reinvestment Act was a SOCIALIST inspired idea, and now the larger commuity of American tax payers are asked to bail them out...again, a failing socialist idea. In terms of your other assertions, you have those things all over the world. Poverty exists the world over, JUST SO MUCH LESS IN AMERICAN IN COMPARISON TO OTHER NATIONS.


Also, your last line is laugh out loud funny. Yes...yes, socialist has a real problem with greedy people. In case you haven't figured this part out yet, but that is why socialism fails every time. Your whine comes across as painfully naive. You see, capitalism accepts and accounts for human natures and harnesses greed in its model. It's young, idealist socialists that are holding onto a disproven model that tries to defy human nature: green and corruption have always, and will always, exist. That is why socialism fails.


Please do respond, I would love to hear your comeback.