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You can't just grab every job the private sector has, and every job the public sector has, lump them all together, and then claim private sector is worse off. There are many jobs the public sector performs that cannot and should not be performed by private hands. Likewise, there are a number of private sector jobs that are better off left in private hands.
If you want to make the claim that public workers are better off than private workers, compare apples and apples. Compare the salaries of public school teachers versus private charter scohols. Compare community college professors to that of private schools. State schools to private schools.
PMCs are an interesting new breed of private-sector jobs that really shouldn't be in the hands of the private sector. Compare PMC pay to corresponding pay for the U.S. military.
Compare the wage and benefits of a USPS driver versus that of a UPS, DHL, or FedEx driver.
Let's look at executive wages too. How much does the most powerful men in government make? Senators, Represenatives, the President? The top five hundred highest paid "executives" if you will, of the government?
Now the top five executives of the private sector. What is there wages?
Come back when you have any ground to stand on.
How about you do that since you're making the assertion that BLS.gov isn't accurate because they don't compare private security forces with public security forces (which no one in their right mind would come to the conclusion that private security gets paid anywhere near the same as public security forces when you factor in total compensation).
You go do the research since you're making the assertion and quit being absurd by having me try to prove your point for you.
How about you do that since you're making the assertion that BLS.gov isn't accurate because they don't compare private security forces with public security forces (which no one in their right mind would come to the conclusion that private security gets paid anywhere near the same as public security forces when you factor in total compensation).
You go do the research since you're making the assertion and quit being absurd by having me try to prove your point for you.
Oh, actually by refusing to back up your claims with relevant evidence, you are very much making my point for me. If you want to claim that public sector jobs are better than private sector jobs, you have to provide relevant evidence comparing both, not just "on average across the board including every single possible job." That's just asinine.
I've already pointed out the flaw of your evidence--and it doesn't support your claim. You need to do that, not me.
Oh, actually by refusing to back up your claims with relevant evidence, you are very much making my point for me. If you want to claim that public sector jobs are better than private sector jobs, you have to provide relevant evidence comparing both, not just "on average across the board including every single possible job." That's just asinine.
I've already pointed out the flaw of your evidence--and it doesn't support your claim. You need to do that, not me.
No, you didn't point anything out except that you disagree with BLS.gov. What would be the point in even gathering the data if it weren't useful?
That's classic coming from a poster who repeatedly makes baseless claims and when refuted, with actual data gathering firms, joins the crickets.
Like this one:
No answers?
You mean my posts that make your claims irrelevant? And then your posts which are trolling attacks? Then, you post the same links, use the same words, and act as if you have done something new.
No, you didn't point anything out except that you disagree with BLS.gov. What would be the point in even gathering the data if it weren't useful?
No go prove your point or stand down.
I'm not asserting that public employees are better compensated than private employees, youb are. I'm not "disagreeing" with the labor statistics, I'm stating they do not support your conclusion. They don't draw an accurate comparison between private and ppublic sector workers.
If you want me to take your argument seriously, you need to take your argument seriously.
I'm not asserting that public employees are better compensated than private employees, youb are. I'm not "disagreeing" with the labor statistics, I'm stating they do not support your conclusion. They don't draw an accurate comparison between private and ppublic sector workers.
If you want me to take your argument seriously, you need to take your argument seriously.
Then prove your GD assertion and quit playing stupid.
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Originally Posted by Konraden
You can't just grab every job the private sector has, and every job the public sector has, lump them all together, and then claim private sector is worse off. There are many jobs the public sector performs that cannot and should not be performed by private hands. Likewise, there are a number of private sector jobs that are better off left in private hands.
If you want to make the claim that public workers are better off than private workers, compare apples and apples. Compare the salaries of public school teachers versus private charter scohols. Compare community college professors to that of private schools. State schools to private schools.
PMCs are an interesting new breed of private-sector jobs that really shouldn't be in the hands of the private sector. Compare PMC pay to corresponding pay for the U.S. military.
Compare the wage and benefits of a USPS driver versus that of a UPS, DHL, or FedEx driver.
Let's look at executive wages too. How much does the most powerful men in government make? Senators, Represenatives, the President? The top five hundred highest paid "executives" if you will, of the government?
Now the top five executives of the private sector. What is there wages?
Come back when you have any ground to stand on.
You make broad generalizations and want me to provide the data for everyone to see in hopes that it proves your point. You're the one that made this "specialized."
The data analysis in this paper, however, indicate that public employees, both state and local government, are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity and disability, reveal no significant overpayment but a slight undercompensation of public employees when compared to private employee compensation costs on a per hour basis. On average, full-time state and local employees are undercompensated by 3.7%, in comparison to otherwise similar private-sector workers. The public employee compensation penalty is smaller for local government employees (1.8%) than state government workers (7.6%).
The right will need to find another scapegoat.
It's really absurd. The right doesn't want to raise the taxes on hedge fund managers that earn $60,000 an hour and contribute little or nothing to society, yet they blame middle-class public workers.
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