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With all this Occupy Wall Street protesting going on, it seems that these people are advocating a more socialist government. But, has socialism ever worked over the long term, to the point that it would be better than capitalist U.S. policy? Can someone give me examples of successful socialist countries that have lasted for the LONG TERM and/or will likely last for the LONG TERM? Should the U.S. envy other socialist countries? Does it really work better as these Occupy Wall Street people believe it would? Honestly, it seems like the Tea Party of the left.
But, has socialism ever worked over the long term, to the point that it would be better than capitalist U.S. policy?
Sure. Millions of Americans have used Medicare and Social Security, which are essentially socialist programs... especially Medicare.
He was looking for SUCCESSFUL socialist programs. I don't consider this a success: "Social Security has reached another critical threshold: For the first time, a typical husband and wife retiring today can expect to collect less in benefits than it paid in payroll tax over the course of their life."
And not even liberals really think Social Security is success: why do you think we have no CHOICE but pay SS and Medicare taxes, no matter how little money we make every year? As if couldn't be more obvious that you'd be FAR better off saving the money you now send to Washington, run the numbers yourself--a working class couple would end up with a minimum million in the bank and three times their Social Security income each year, plus they could leave the entire million to their children when they die. How does that compare to NOT EVEN GETTING YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS BACK?
Denmark norway sweden canada germany uk australia to name some. Our system is different from most capitalistic nations and it works less well than the majority
He was looking for SUCCESSFUL socialist programs. I don't consider this a success: "Social Security has reached another critical threshold: For the first time, a typical husband and wife retiring today can expect to collect less in benefits than it paid in payroll tax over the course of their life."
And not even liberals really think Social Security is success: why do you think we have no CHOICE but pay SS and Medicare taxes, no matter how little money we make every year? As if couldn't be more obvious that you'd be FAR better off saving the money you now send to Washington, run the numbers yourself--a working class couple would end up with a minimum million in the bank and three times their Social Security income each year, plus they could leave the entire million to their children when they die. How does that compare to NOT EVEN GETTING YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS BACK?
......well then we reform SS. It's not hard, except politically.
I think most Americans think SS has been a success, not just liberals.
The US military is the most socialist organization in the country, so ask yourself if you wish more things were run in a similar fashion.
The military is hardly socialistic. The soldiers do not have a say in what they do. They just do it. Period. It is extremely authoritarian if anything.
It's strange that this thread can peter out and then resume 6 months later as if no time had passed at all . The wonders of internet forums never cease. Time is relative not only throughout space but also in cyberspace.
Canada? Not exactly; unless you consider the U.S. a socialist country as well by counting your MEDICARE, Medicaid, Social Security, multi generational welfare of which the U.S. runs no less than 126 programs of which many overlap (WOW), EBT and other food assistance programs that even your military are using to feed themselves along with, Obama phones for mothers of multiple kiddies on welfare,.......etc.,......etc..
On the Federal income tax rate scale for income earners in the $89K to $140K we're both running at 28% rate. Mmm?
So using the descriptors you routinely use to describe Canada (probably the single payer healthcare system while ignoring your own Medicare program) as a semi-socialist country and apply them to your own country ~ which is it:.....are you heavily taxed or is the U.S. dying or crumbling under it's socialism?
Last edited by BruSan; 06-07-2014 at 10:14 AM..
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