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Indeed. That is why I surrounded the word socialist with quotation marks; it was an attempt at a little irony.
Those listed nations, alongside others, have located a healthy balance between capitalism and socialism. The U.S. has not quite done that successfully, but many legitimately believe that the U.S. will become Cuba if it chooses to do so in the future.
You know that the system you are referring to has another name, meaning social democracy. So why are you talking about social democracy in a thread about socialism?
Also you ignored what I said about those countries. I said that the countries you listed are quite right wing compared to the rest of Europe. Switzerland who was placed first, has a lower tax level and less regulation than the US.
socialism, as defined as capitalism for business with a safety net for those that cannot compete, has worked far better for everyone than the government subsidized corrupt crony capitalist business infesting the United States.
You know that the system you are referring to has another name, meaning social democracy. So why are you talking about social democracy in a thread about socialism?
Also you ignored what I said about those countries. I said that the countries you listed are quite right wing compared to the rest of Europe. Switzerland who was placed first, has a lower tax level and less regulation than the US.
Okay, you're saying we can consider "social democracy" as something different from "socialism," so Americans should have no fear that doing what northern European governments do is "socialism."
Okay, you're saying we can consider "social democracy" as something different from "socialism," so Americans should have no fear that doing what northern European governments do is "socialism."
Okay.
And stop equating Bernie Sanders to the old USSR. Sanders is essentially Social Democrat, like in Europe.
Has anyone brought up Statoil? I searched and it didn't come up. Hugely successful oil company that has made money off of American oil and the Norwegian government has primary controlling interest over the company.
Has anyone brought up Statoil? I searched and it didn't come up. Hugely successful oil company that has made money off of American oil and the Norwegian government has primary controlling interest over the company.
You know that the system you are referring to has another name, meaning social democracy. So why are you talking about social democracy in a thread about socialism?
Because everyone knows that pure socialism doesn't work. The answer to the question asked in the thread title is obvious. Some want to equate pure socialism and the alike to "social democracies" so that the U.S. does not move in the direction that people such as Bernie Sanders propose. I was alluding to what I believe is fear-tactics at play.
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Also you ignored what I said about those countries. I said that the countries you listed are quite right wing compared to the rest of Europe. Switzerland who was placed first, has a lower tax level and less regulation than the US.
I received multiple responses and only had time to respond to one.
This isn't about where nations fall on the "left to right" spectrum for me. It's a comparison between the U.S. and nations with programs that Americans consider to be "socialist". Not all nations with these programs outperform the U.S., but there are several that do. In my opinion, those are the nations whose programs the U.S. should investigate and adapt in the future. That's really all I wanted to say.
As for Switzerland, I admit that it does somewhat go against my argument. You make a strong point. They are a very unique case. Would an American conservative be supportive of their mandatory paid maternity and holiday leave laws though? I'm not so sure.
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