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Old 10-12-2011, 05:24 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Wow!

Great point enemy country!

I'll reflect on how good I have it as I drive from my day job here in Detroit to my evening job in Farmington.
Whats your point? Thats what you and the tea party want. Enjoy working two jobs. Get another job if you sleep at all. Your votes have earned it.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:42 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Which is worse, jobs ad low wages or no jobs with no wages as all those plants go to Mexico, China, India, etc... ?

Your partisan attack fails to meet reality.

This is what global Socialism does. It is a system of trickle up poverty until such a point that the US factory laborer is on par with that in 3rd worlds where most of our manufacturing has been moved. It is redistribution of wealth from the West to emerging markets.
So lets just pay 3.00 per hour. That is what the right wants. Thats a great life. Why not make it .25 cents. The children should work too they do not need to read or write since they are poor. Its their own fault. Once these people get evil and ruthless enough to take from the other .25 cents workers those people will move up and after some time can send their kids to school. This is the republican dream.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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"Right to Work" has always meant the right to work for free. It is just another phrase for company town wage slavery.

The underlying economic problem is not Union or Not Union but workers or machines. Most of the real labor intensive production is being replaced with machinery both here and in China. Fewer people are now needed to make stuff from fabric to flying machines than ever. This has lowered unit costs and increased profits as expected. What it has failed to do is provide a large base of wealthy enough buyers to purchase the output with their wages.

Henry ford realized that paying his workers far more than any other manufacturer would cost him a lot of money. He also realized that witho0ut a massive market of well paid employees he would not recover the investment required to lower unit cost with semi automated assemble lines. Now we know how to lower unit costs to a bare minimum but we have forgotten about keeping up a sufficient number of buyers. For the last 30 years our economy has substituted debt for wages but, as we have seen during the Mortgage bust, the fewer workers have run out of credit. Even at the lower prices created by overseas manufacturing the buyers are simply not there.

The entire country, with a few exceptions in the automobile and defense industries, has fallen for the “right to work for free” nonsense. The result is our current recession. When the bubble created by the banksters speculating in student loans bursts the economy will really collapse.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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ec - The core of the Republican dream is the return of using yourself and your family as collateral for survival loans. They are nor satisfied with wage slavery. They want inheritable debt slavery where they can sell the kids into prostitution to pay for granddaddy's loan.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:06 AM
 
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Meanwhile, states with strong union labor histories such as Michigan, enjoy far better living standards found anywhere else on earth.

Why just take a look at the miracle that is Flint, Michigan and don't forget to enjoy daily walks all about downtown Detroit the hub of the American Working Mans Empire!

Youngtown, Ohio, Pittsburgh and Gary, Indiana all stand as testament to the American unions proud history of raising standards of living wherever it goes.
Exactly...the unions priced themselves right out of the market. Wages increased true, but the benefits they demanded became unrealistic. Unfortunately many companies are no longer offering pensions and have reduced other benefits in order to remain competitive. In today's economy, companies are going overseas in order to stay competitive, avoid the demanding Unions, and Americans are going jobless.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Part of a big reason why the UAW broke off with the AFL(-CIO) back in '68. You had an union leadership supporting war, sexism, and racism. (AFL) To just say it was entirely an "union" thing is grossly misleading without considering all the nuances of political history of unions, in which there were many different factions standing for different things.

"Look for the union label" was code for "This garment was made with white labor". Labor unions were founded to combat cheap black and chinese labor.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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I guess places like Detroit is a example of the Ops shining utopia.
At the least, Detroit is the utopia that Obama is pushing on the rest of the country.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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"Right to Work" has always meant the right to work for free. It is just another phrase for company town wage slavery.

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Another fine example of the ingorance of the left. Right to Work laws mean one thing...you can not be FORCED to join a union as a condition of employement-period. If you agree to work for a company, you are not forced to join a group of thugs that only look out for themselves. In particular, they look out for their laziest and most usesless members.

RTW has nothing to do with wagers or the ability to hire/fire without cause.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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This is what the GOP envisions for the rest of the country. SC. Thats why this state is so red. The southern strategy convinced poor whites to vote against themselves and now they do it automatically. Workers here believe they deserve to be miserable.
This is why they vote against themselves.


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It is not clear to me how many GOP officeholders believe this reactionary and paranoid claptrap. I would bet that most do not. But they cynically feed the worst instincts of their fearful and angry low-information political base with a nod and a wink.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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ec - The core of the Republican dream is the return of using yourself and your family as collateral for survival loans. They are nor satisfied with wage slavery. They want inheritable debt slavery where they can sell the kids into prostitution to pay for granddaddy's loan.
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